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SEB, you seem to be promoting an awful lot of "Redemption needs to be exactly like all the other TCGs" since your return to the game. While I agree that there are always things that we can learn from other TCGs and some good tings we can implement, I don't think we need to do something just because other games do it.

I see your point that the mechanics of Redemption allow you to see more of your deck, but I see it a little differently: because you can go through your deck so efficiently, I felt that there needs to be an option to mitigate bad hands so that I have the best change to stay "in the game."

I dont like when I win because my opponent had a bad draw (of course the other way around is frustrating too). When we are sitting around the dinning room table and playing, it's not that big of a deal. Next Game! But when competing at a tournament, I dont want the win to be because I got "lucky," but because I played better than my opponent. So, I brought up Mulligans, which I assumed to be a fundamental tool of any card game (similar to shuffling a deck). My intention is not to push a square into a circle shaped hole. I apologize if I gave the impression that I think Redemption must fundamentally change into "Card-Game X" (and to be fair the OP did not mention other card games). I truly don't want that. My hope was to engage in a positive discourse to address a perceived issue to make Redemption even better.

SEB don't feel bullied to the point you have to justify your opinion. There are plenty of people who think it would be perfectly reasonable and if the ptb didn't for whatever reason hate mulligans so much it would be the standard and I'm positive no one would be complaining about it.

They would be complaining about what they perceive as problem cards and addressing those as they do and already have.

Thank you for opening discussion on what you feel matters to this game. You are Not Alone.

Thanks, K.
To be clear: I dont feel bullied, but I am the "new guy." I was more hoping to share my heart of the matter, because I can see where Gabe is coming from (Thank you by the way, I do appreciate your comment).

FYI, this post from almost a year ago from Rob Anderson states Redemption's current official rules regarding mulligans.

Bonus points for Jesse

SEB don't feel bullied to the point you have to justify your opinion. There are plenty of people who think it would be perfectly reasonable and if the ptb didn't for whatever reason hate mulligans so much it would be the standard and I'm positive no one would be complaining about it.

They would be complaining about what they perceive as problem cards and addressing those as they do and already have.

Thank you for opening discussion on what you feel matters to this game. You are Not Alone.

I don't think anyone has ever stated they hate mulligans, but the majority of the Elder team feels they are not a necessary thing for Redemption (one drawback that immediately comes to my mind is the extra time they would take when Redemption games are usually long games already). That being said, as the game continues to evolve, perhaps they will become necessary just as the rules that SEB brought up became necessary over time.

Having not played any other CCG other than Redemption, I don't claim to have the best "big picture" perspective on mulligans, but at the same time having played thousands of games of Redemption over the past 20 years, I have never felt like mulligans were something the game needed. Like MJB mentioned a few posts back, the times when it felt like I lost a game because of the opening draw, it was my opponent getting a ridiculously good opening hand as opposed to me having a terrible hand.

Lastly, I do appreciate that people have done testing with mulligans (i.e. the TLG rules) and would definitely be open to hearing the results of further testing.