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I'm not sure if many people will see this until the next month of ROOT gets started, however, I'm curious what people think about this. Do you think that this rule change (at least for ROOT) will see a 57 card deck reach viability? With speed having slightly less emphasis, I feel that it might, and I'm currently playtesting a 50 card and 57 card deck using the new Dom Cap rule, with identical builds other than the additional seven cards for the latter, to see how they play out.

Yeah. Honestly, right now, I'm thinking 57 might be the superior option. I foresee Falling Away and DoN (and probably Harvest Time) being the disputed "7th Dom", and having two of them would be an endless help (thus far I've been using FA, and I end up missing DoN a lot).

I've been using CM, FA, Mayhem, AotL, Grapes, SoG, and NJ.

Grapes is, imo, the most versatile of all the doms. You can use it offensively, you can use it defensively, you can use it to mess with someone's strategy. I'd take a dominant I can use anytime over one that only works if I draw it before my opponent draws theirs.

I just dislike it due to the fact I prefer to have a strong card all round not a good at sometimes card that can be played In a million different situations.

Since I don't use Mayhem I've found that 7 is usually enough for me

I think this is actually a problem.  If the cap is at 7, then it really isn't too hard to cut out 3 doms and adding 3 cards to replace them doesn't really allow for a lot of creativity either.  It is more likely that someone would just splash in a couple standalone defensive cards (Uzzah, etc.) or splash offense (Phineas + Zeal, etc.)

If the cap was at #LS/2 (rounded down), then this would actually get really interesting.  50-56 card decks would only be able to have 3 doms, and 57-63 card decks would be able to have 4 doms.  Then you would really have some tough decisions about which doms to play.  And that would leave a LOT of extra spots that you could really beef up an offense or defense with to include some fun variety.

I've heard a lot of theory, but nothing really practical.

That'll come starting next week when people actually start using some decks with this rule

If the dom cap leads to players pulling GoYS, which leads to more play for FA, doesn't that actually help get at the "problem" of the power on NJ indirectly? You would need 6 rescues, not 5, so SoG/NJ is only 33.3% of your win requirement instead of 40%.

So maybe the problem dominant was GoYS all along. 

If the dom cap leads to players pulling GoYS, which leads to more play for FA, doesn't that actually help get at the "problem" of the power on NJ indirectly? You would need 6 rescues, not 5, so SoG/NJ is only 33.3% of your win requirement instead of 40%.

So maybe the problem dominant was GoYS all along. 

Everyone's saying they'll pull FA, so then everyone's also pulling GoYS.  So why not keep FA?

GoyS being the true problem Dom has actually been proposed before, and I think I agree with it. SoG is SoG, it doesn't need to be balanced. Burial balances Harvest Time. AotL is balanced by CM. Mayhem is broken, but it doesn't really do something that could be balanced by another Dom. Grapes can be used offensively or defensively so it's self-balancing. DoN is balanced by GotL kind of, but Artifacts are so strong it doesn't really need a good Dom balancing it. The only hiccup in the system is that FA balanced NJ before GoyS comes out, so now GoyS balances FA and NJ makes 2 unbalanced Doms. One is ok but 2 is clearly the root of a lot of the game's issues.

The other problem is that the advent of GoyS made not only itself, but FA speed-dependent. Every other Dom can be used whenever you have it barring protection (HT isn't usable when your opponent has souls, but its purpose is to generate souls so if it's not usable it's not needed, and DoN isn't usable when your opponent has no Arts active, but its purpose is to kill arts so if it's not usable it's not needed). FA and GoyS, on the other hand, are only useful if gotten before your opponent gets the other. I think that's an oft-overlooked but very important element. Without GoyS, no doms would be time-sensitive (other than in the normal way cards are time-sensitive) and there would be slightly less emphasis on drawing ALL the things.


Looks like I need to change my stance: NJ isn't the problem, GoyS is.

And it gives another guaranteed dom block.  Woo!  A lot of people have supported rescuing 6 LS instead of 5 (inb4smugT2players), and the removal of GoYS would allow that.

Multi is more speed-centric than 2-player, so I doubt you would see ANY GoYS and FA with a more limited dom cap (D/2).