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Title basically says it all. No one wants negative player experience to occur in any game and no one wants a deck to be built around it either. JD brought to life a brutal T2 deck this year which prominently featured displeased philistines + Mayhem combo and had decent consistency at doing so early in the game. Although JD didn't win Nats with it he did well in Tournaments with it and regardless of tournament results I feel it's safe to say a deck like that is something Redemption as tried to avoid being played.

The purpose of all this is to try and at least bring up the consideration of the elders trying to "fix" this with a rule change or errata to mayhem again. I don't feel like this deck in particular will see a lot of play in the future as is but it is good enough to see play and place in most levels of tournament play so it probably shouldn't just be dismissed either.

My suggestion is to add a regardless of restriction clause to Mayhem's errata. That should have the least impact on other cards and the game state as a whole and stop the mayhem combo.

Again I'm only bringing this up to help encourage talks among the elders to eliminate a deck that causes negative play experience and because it will likely be overshadowed in talks by the other menace and beautiful deck that is Koney. (Ironically also pioneered by JD for the most part)

Escape lost soul, awake lost soul, crowds lost soul, lawless, imitate. All those times 2 is 10 lost souls out of a potentially 100 card deck. Depending on how you draw them of course, all 5 lost souls could potentially help get out the crowds lost soul to protect your hand from Mayhem first turn. Although I teched for his deck, I took out humble lost souls which completely backfired (forsaken killed me), I never played him, but did not feel like I was sitting down to a loss. I had a very fast deck that theoretically if I got to go first I would still be able to pull out multiple heroes and cards before he Displeases/Mayhem me. I do not think this is a complete NPE deck because a fast offense can recover. This is an awesome deck concept and was shown that it is strong, but did not dominate the tournament. When this does work, and it does often, it leaves the player with the beginning of the game NPE but that means that player either did not tech for this deck, or did not play counters. I understand never wanting to leave the potential for players to have entire games of NPE, but i feel like this deck only starts the game as NPE, then allows you the chance to recover if your deck is fast enough. Maybe monitor this deck or playtest this deck within your playgroup to see just how much NPE it is, and if some sort of counter, either ruling or errata, needs to be made. But as for now I feel like it should be monitored and the Elders/playtesters should respectfully ask someone in their playgroup to run it, or they themself run it against a guinea pig, I mean player.

Yeah I posted a "Worldly Soul" which could, in addition to first turn crowd souls via escape souls, help against many common aggro decks to allow control to have an answer to speed turn 1.

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Yeah I posted a "Worldly Soul" which could, in addition to first turn crowd souls via escape souls, help against many common aggro decks to allow control to have an answer to speed turn 1.

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So can that be your T1-2P winner's card

For the record, both myself and Jayden have recovered from turn 2 or 3 DP/Mayhems so it isn't impossible... 

For the record, both myself and Jayden have recovered from turn 2 or 3 DP/Mayhems so it isn't impossible... 

That's definitely a good thing. Like I said I don't expect the deck to be played often or be meta destroying. I did tech against it myself as well. I just figured it should be discussed for the potential NPE aspects and could be been forgotten about discussion wise due to Koney. I just have a feeling that what to do about Koney if anything will be an time consuming topic. Plus there's bound to be many more other lengthy topics.

Jayden has now beat me 2-0 with Ehud choosing the little guys hehe even after being combo'ed!!

I didn't even need Ehud...I just used 5/7 John, the Apocalyptist with a zero card hand...and won a LS. 

#NoFear