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● Regardless of whether a search is mandatory or optional, a player has the choice to fail any search they control, and is not required to select a valid target, even if one exists. However, if a search of deck is mandatory, or an optional search of deck is performed, the player is considered to have “used” a search effect and the deck must still be shuffled.
Ok. Thank you kor. I will rule it that way for our tournaments.However it makes no sense when compared to other ruling on cards with "may" and without. For example my opponent has rbd up and I attack with a hero that just says "draw a card" im forced to draw/discard. There should also be a distinction between searches of locations that are common knowledge. If I play a card that says discard and animal and I have the only animal in play I'm forced to discard it. Discard is common knowledge now so we know what may get underdecked before its played.
However it makes no sense when compared to other ruling on cards with "may" and without. For example my opponent has rbd up and I attack with a hero that just says "draw a card" im forced to draw/discard.
Why even make something mandatory then if you have the option to do it or not?
Quote from: Cnakeeyes on July 01, 2019, 11:09:40 AMHowever it makes no sense when compared to other ruling on cards with "may" and without. For example my opponent has rbd up and I attack with a hero that just says "draw a card" im forced to draw/discard. Quote from: Watchman on July 01, 2019, 11:56:20 AMWhy even make something mandatory then if you have the option to do it or not?I wasn't involved in the creation of the ruling that allows failing of searches. My guess is, it's for those cases where there is no legal target in a deck or Reserve for the search. If searches could not be failed, then to maintain the integrity of the game state, a player should be forced to reveal his deck/Reserve to prove that there was no legal target.If there's a rule that simply allows players to fail searches, then there's no need to prove that a failed search had no legal targets.*****My concern is with the ruling that if you fail one Abe's Descendant search, you have to fail them all. Each search of a discard pile is clearly a separate search. The Shame LS is a poor example because the Shame LS is not a search, and search is the only ability with a unique "fail to find" exemption. The only "apples to apples" comparison between Abe's Descendant and Shame LS is that if you choose to search w/ Abe's Descendant, you have to search all 4. I see no reason why you can't choose to fail whichever of those searches that you want to fail.
Quote from: Cnakeeyes on July 01, 2019, 11:09:40 AMHowever it makes no sense when compared to other ruling on cards with "may" and without. For example my opponent has rbd up and I attack with a hero that just says "draw a card" im forced to draw/discard. Quote from: Watchman on July 01, 2019, 11:56:20 AMWhy even make something mandatory then if you have the option to do it or not?I wasn't involved in the creation of the ruling that allows failing of searches. My guess is, it's for those cases where there is no legal target in a deck or Reserve for the search. If searches could not be failed, then to maintain the integrity of the game state, a player should be forced to reveal his deck/Reserve to prove that there was no legal target.If there's a rule that simply allows players to fail searches, then there's no need to prove that a failed search had no legal targets.
I think you can fail to find all of the targets, but you can't pick and choose which piles to choose to fail in. Kind of like Shame LS has to set aside a Hero from each territory with one, or none at all.
Quote from: RedemptionAggie on June 30, 2019, 09:35:24 PMI think you can fail to find all of the targets, but you can't pick and choose which piles to choose to fail in. Kind of like Shame LS has to set aside a Hero from each territory with one, or none at all.I apologize for resurrecting this, but I have been thinking about it lately and have a follow up question. Is there a difference between choosing to 'fail to find' and actually just failing to find a target? For example, if one player has an enhancement in discard pile and the other does not. Do you have the option of placing that enhancement beneath draw pile with Abraham's Descendant?
