Author Topic: Would you buy a playmat? (Read 16401 times)

Master KChief · « **Reply #25 on:** July 12, 2011, 11:32:16 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on July 12, 2011, 11:29:27 AM

Cactus probably only has the rights to the art for the expressed purpose of using them on Redemption cards. Otherwise, I think we'd see some Cahaba art on promotion items.

what promotion items does cactus have in the first place?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #26 on:** July 12, 2011, 11:33:21 AM »

Quote from: Master KChief on July 12, 2011, 11:32:16 AM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on July 12, 2011, 11:29:27 AM
Cactus probably only has the rights to the art for the expressed purpose of using them on Redemption cards. Otherwise, I think we'd see some Cahaba art on promotion items.

what promotion items does cactus have in the first place?

I was thinking of some of the Michael signs that are out there, and the fact that anything redemption produces almost exclusively has the flaming sword and nothing else. I assumed that was because Redemption doesn't own any really super great art.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #27 on:** July 12, 2011, 11:33:40 AM »

Quote from: Master KChief on July 12, 2011, 11:32:16 AM

what promotion items does cactus have in the first place?

Posters! I have about 50 if you would like some....

Master KChief · « **Reply #28 on:** July 12, 2011, 11:36:42 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 12, 2011, 10:37:55 AM

I have seen generic versions of the playmat for $10 in gaming stores, so the price point will be an issue for me. I always try to support Christian businesses, even if it means paying more. However, paying double is stretching it.

most mtg and yugioh mats retail in the $15-25 range, with limited edition ones (such as mats awarded to tournament attendees/winners) reaching into the hundreds. $20-30 for a redemption mat is actually very reasonable.

soul seeker · « **Reply #29 on:** July 12, 2011, 11:37:51 AM »

Quote from: uthminister [BR] on July 12, 2011, 11:20:37 AM

I have also done playmats using the Gates of Hell artwork and another one with the Throne of Heaven (not a redemption card) artwork. I agree that if we can do a single piece of art instead of two split down the middle it will be much better. I have had a hard time gettng ahold of cahaba/eternal studios in order to buy the rights for their art but I agree they are very cool looking. I have come to the conclusion from the thread I had about playmat layouts that we will have a hard time printing a mat with a layout everyone will agree upon. I think that we need to print whatever graphic we choose with a place for won lost souls only (probably only up to 5 since I don't really see type-2 being squeezed onto one of these mats).

To continue with this line of thought....

I don't mind adjusting my style if it makes sense. To me, Fortresses and set asides often go hand in hand, which is why the Fortresses and Land of bondage should be reversed on the current playmat (see RTSManiac's picture on page 1). California style works best if both players are using the mat because you run out of room on the table for other styles to have a "battle" area. If the mat is just used for territory organization and it will be a little bit more loose in design (read: not all outlines will be printed), then I think the following items need to be printed on the mat somewhere:
Deck Pile
Discard Pile
Land of Bondage
Land of Redemption

The rest of Redemption's piles are pretty easily distinguishable (unless there are conversions).

Master KChief · « **Reply #30 on:** July 12, 2011, 11:40:13 AM »

why not just use the official layout demonstrated in the rulebook?

soul seeker · « **Reply #31 on:** July 12, 2011, 11:42:20 AM »

I would assume that room on the playmat makes the battle area awkwardly small? Personally, I'm not against the rulebook one. I'm relatively flexible with the idea.

Master KChief · « **Reply #32 on:** July 12, 2011, 11:44:37 AM »

well not only do i think the majority of players either use the one in the rulebook or a slightly altered version of it, but i think it will be greatly beneficial to newer players as well, especially on something so mass produced.

ACe · « **Reply #33 on:** July 12, 2011, 11:51:51 AM »

That is what im saying have different ones available one for beginners that is taken from the rule book and others with artwork and different styles

crustpope · « **Reply #34 on:** July 12, 2011, 11:59:26 AM »

Quote from: Master KChief on July 12, 2011, 11:40:13 AM

why not just use the official layout demonstrated in the rulebook?

You can, it is just that particular design uses the california version. The battles are to talk place off of the playmat anyway. This is only for holding and organizing your territory

Ken4Christ4ever · « **Reply #35 on:** July 12, 2011, 11:59:55 AM »

Thanks for all the comments, suggestions, and interest so far! Please continue to let me/us know your thoughts as we work on coming up with something that makes sense for everyone.

Master KChief · « **Reply #36 on:** July 12, 2011, 12:12:57 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on July 12, 2011, 11:59:26 AM

Quote from: Master KChief on July 12, 2011, 11:40:13 AM
why not just use the official layout demonstrated in the rulebook?

You can, it is just that particular design uses the california version. The battles are to talk place off of the playmat anyway. This is only for holding and organizing your territory

i have several other ccg mats and have used them for redemption purposes. the standard mat is pretty big, and i never found myself requiring extra space to push a character into battle.

Gabe · « **Reply #37 on:** July 12, 2011, 12:25:04 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on July 12, 2011, 11:40:13 AM

why not just use the official layout demonstrated in the rulebook?

I agree, if there is going to be a standard layout printed on the playmat then it should be the official layout from the rulebook. Another option is the simply print an awesome collage of Redemption art on the mat. You could still put GoYS in one of the top corners to represent a Land of Redemption. But without a designated area on the mat players would still have the freedom to choose the layout if they wanted.

As for fitting everything on the mat, the standard size does not have enough room. It's 14 inches tall. Redemption cards are 3.5 inches tall without sleeves. That leaves enough room for a row of Heroes, a row of ECs and a row of LS. The field of battle would be off the playmat.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #38 on:** July 12, 2011, 12:30:18 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on July 12, 2011, 11:36:42 AM

most mtg and yugioh mats retail in the $15-25 range, with limited edition ones (such as mats awarded to tournament attendees/winners) reaching into the hundreds. $20-30 for a redemption mat is actually very reasonable.

I was talking about single-color unprinted ones, which I would be quite content with for half the price.

Quote from: Gabe on July 12, 2011, 12:25:04 PM

I agree, if there is going to be a standard layout printed on the playmat then it should be the official layout from the rulebook. Another option is the simply print an awesome collage of Redemption art on the mat. You could still put GoYS in one of the top corners to represent a Land of Redemption. But without a designated area on the mat players would still have the freedom to choose the layout if they wanted.

I fully support both of Gabe's points quoted above. I certainly vote in favor of freedom to choose card layout, but if a layout is preferred, I think the rulebook version would be the better choice.

Master KChief · « **Reply #39 on:** July 12, 2011, 12:53:45 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 12, 2011, 12:30:18 PM

I was talking about single-color unprinted ones, which I would be quite content with for half the price.

so...what would be the point of a 'generic' redemption playmat then...?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #40 on:** July 12, 2011, 12:55:55 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on July 12, 2011, 12:53:45 PM

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 12, 2011, 12:30:18 PM

I was talking about single-color unprinted ones, which I would be quite content with for half the price.

so...what would be the point of a 'generic' redemption playmat then...?

I think what he is saying is that he doesn't want to pay significantly more to slap a Grapes of Wrath and Mayhem on his playmat.

Master KChief · « **Reply #41 on:** July 12, 2011, 12:59:50 PM »

right, but i thought that was the entire point of the thread, that it does cost extra to slap some redemption artwork on a playmat and the demand for such a mat...

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #42 on:** July 12, 2011, 01:02:57 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on July 12, 2011, 12:55:55 PM

I think what he is saying is that he doesn't want to pay significantly more to slap a Grapes of Wrath and Mayhem on his playmat.

Exactly. I can buy a week's worth of meals for my family for the extra $15, and still have my cards comfortably sitting on a fluffy playmat.

Quote from: Master KChief on July 12, 2011, 12:59:50 PM

right, but i thought that was the entire point of the thread, that it does cost extra to slap some redemption artwork on a playmat and the demand for such a mat...

He was looking for feedback. My feedback as a cash-strapped father is that if I am just looking for a playmat to put my cards on, then a generic one for $10 is more economical than a $25 aesthetically-appealing one.

Ken4Christ4ever · « **Reply #43 on:** July 12, 2011, 01:04:59 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 12, 2011, 01:02:57 PM

He was looking for feedback. My feedback as a cash-strapped father is that if I am just looking for a playmat to put my cards on, then a generic one for $10 is more economical than a $25 aesthetically-appealing one.

Yep! And your feedback is definitely appreciated.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #44 on:** July 12, 2011, 01:15:38 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 12, 2011, 01:02:57 PM

I can buy a week's worth of meals for my family for the extra $15

Wow, you can buy a week's worth of meals for a family of 5 with only $15. You've got to share your secrets with us other cash-strapped fathers

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #45 on:** July 12, 2011, 01:25:47 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on July 12, 2011, 01:15:38 PM

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 12, 2011, 01:02:57 PM
I can buy a week's worth of meals for my family for the extra $15
Wow, you can buy a week's worth of meals for a family of 5 with only $15. You've got to share your secrets with us other cash-strapped fathers

Ramen Noodles (add chopped up hamburger or chicken for variety)
Tacos (use tortilla chips instead of taco shells for variety)
PB&J
Spaghettios (Buy large can with meatballs and one without, then mix them)
Chicken & Rice casserole (or soup if it's not too hot out)
Tuna Fish
Macaroni & Cheese
Macaroni & meat sauce (use small shells or other pasta types for variety)
Hot Dogs & Hamburgers on the grill

Those meals individually cost only a couple dollars.

soul seeker · « **Reply #46 on:** July 12, 2011, 01:26:33 PM »

Hey Mark,
It's called sandwiches, Ramen Noodles, and Mac & cheese.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #47 on:** July 12, 2011, 01:31:25 PM »

Depending on how large the playmats are, I would be interested if it was >$15. If they can fit 12-15 characters of the same alignment, that'd be fantastic. (I play T2, and really unbalanced decks...)

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #48 on:** July 12, 2011, 01:34:14 PM »

Quote from: soul seeker on July 12, 2011, 01:26:33 PM

Hey Mark,
It's called sandwiches, Ramen Noodles, and Mac & cheese.

Ramen noodles are epic. I could eat them every day, at just 15 cents per meal.

Of course my wife grumbles about protein and other weird health words, but you can't beat the shear enjoyment of eating Ramen noodles.

Quote from: Ring Wraith on July 12, 2011, 01:31:25 PM

Depending on how large the playmats are, I would be interested if it was >$15.

If I had the $10 available for generic playmats, then I would pay the extra $5 for a cool Redemption one. I would just eat more Ramen noodles that week.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #49 on:** July 12, 2011, 01:36:45 PM »

Black Beans and Rice are cheap and somewhat healthy. If only they tasted as good as ramen noodles ;.;

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Author Topic: Would you buy a playmat? (Read 16401 times)

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