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With the past few sets the game has gone in a direction that goes against the reason I started playing in the first place. Not sure yet what I'm going to do about it (I'm really indecisive). In case I do decide to give it up for good, how much do you think I could get for my cards?

The "good" stuff:

1 Complete factory set minus the NJ promo (still got the warriors one)

Ultra Rares/Promos:

A New Beginning
Angel at Shur
Balance
Battering Ram
Burial Shroud
Crucify Him
Emperor Nero
Failed Objective
Goshen
Great Mourning
Guardian of Your Souls
Harvest Time
Household Idols
John
Joseph in Prison
Judas Iscariot
Leviathan
Morg
Moses and Elders
Name of the Lord
Panic Demon
Philosophy
Pierced Heart
Prosperity
Rhoda
Satan's Folly
Shield of Faith
Ship to Cyprus
Siegeworks
Spirit as a Dove
Thirty Pieces of Silver
Thorn in the Flesh
Three Nails
Windows of Narrow Light

TexP:

Angel of Warning
Astrologers
Attending Angel
Consuming Fire
Damsel with Spirit of Divination
Divination
Enchanter
Entrapping Pharisees
Gates of Hell
Herod's Dungeon
Herod's Treachery
High Places
Image of Jealousy
Magic Charms
Proud Pharisee
Rash Oath
Salome
Samaritan Water Jar
Stalks of Flax
User of Curious Arts
Wandering Spirit

Other:

Haman's Plot x1
Lost Soul (anti-burial)

I have very little FooF/RoA. I never bought any tins and only traded for a couple of non- "high demand" cards here and there. Don't know which ones off the top of my head. I have no disciples or whatever the new set is.

There are also ~1000 other C/UC/R cards that aren't listed here.

With the past few sets the game has gone in a direction that goes against the reason I started playing in the first place. Not sure yet what I'm going to do about it (I'm really indecisive). In case I do decide to give it up for good, how much do you think I could get for my cards?

The "good" stuff:

1 Complete factory set minus the NJ promo (still got the warriors one)

Ultra Rares/Promos:

A New Beginning
Angel at Shur
Balance
Battering Ram
Burial Shroud
Crucify Him
Emperor Nero
Failed Objective
Goshen
Great Mourning
Guardian of Your Souls
Harvest Time
Household Idols
John
Joseph in Prison
Judas Iscariot
Leviathan
Morg
Moses and Elders
Name of the Lord
Panic Demon
Philosophy
Pierced Heart
Prosperity
Rhoda
Satan's Folly
Shield of Faith
Ship to Cyprus
Siegeworks
Spirit as a Dove
Thirty Pieces of Silver
Thorn in the Flesh
Three Nails
Windows of Narrow Light

TexP:

Angel of Warning
Astrologers
Attending Angel
Consuming Fire
Damsel with Spirit of Divination
Divination
Enchanter
Entrapping Pharisees
Gates of Hell
Herod's Dungeon
Herod's Treachery
High Places
Image of Jealousy
Magic Charms
Proud Pharisee
Rash Oath
Salome
Samaritan Water Jar
Stalks of Flax
User of Curious Arts
Wandering Spirit

Other:

Haman's Plot x1
Lost Soul (anti-burial)

I have very little FooF/RoA. I never bought any tins and only traded for a couple of non- "high demand" cards here and there. Don't know which ones off the top of my head. I have no disciples or whatever the new set is.

There are also ~1000 other C/UC/R cards that aren't listed here.

I really have to admit I don't like the direction the game has gone as well... I started playing the game in '95? Well, whenever it was back when there were no expansions. I remember when you had to be patient to make your move. I remember when the game wasn't overpowered and cards worked the they said on the card. I remember real battle phases. (played a game yesterday when the guy I faced quasi-rescued just to draw cards 4 times in a row) I will always be a fan for nostalgic purposes, yet I miss the days when you could use your enhancements and they worked... Just my 2 cents.

Quote from: theselfevident on August 21, 2011, 07:17:36 AM

I really have to admit I don't like the direction the game has gone as well... I started playing the game in '95? Well, whenever it was back when there were no expansions. I remember when you had to be patient to make your move. I remember when the game wasn't overpowered and cards worked the they said on the card.

Yeah I started playing back in '95 too, and the game was so lame that I quit playing it for a decade.  Sure the cards weren't overpowered, because they were "no powered".  They were just 4/4 heroes fighting 6/6 ECs with everyone throwing 2/2 enhancements that didn't do anything.

Quote from: theselfevident on August 21, 2011, 07:17:36 AM

I remember real battle phases. (played a game yesterday when the guy I faced quasi-rescued just to draw cards 4 times in a row) I will always be a fan for nostalgic purposes, yet I miss the days when you could use your enhancements and they worked... Just my 2 cents.

I totally agree with you that it is the battle phase that makes Redemption fun.  But that phase is stronger now than it has been in many years.  At this point I can have more battles than ever before.  If they beat my 1st guy, I can use Unknown Nation to bring in someone else.  If they beat them I can bring in my EC that is face-down on that LS sitting in a multi-colored site.  If they beat them I can capture them with Magic Charms sitting on my magician in my territory.  If they have more than 2 heroes, then I can discard my Gates of Hell to bring in yet another EC and keep fighting.  And all of that is in one turn, and all of it is with enhancements thrown that affect the battle in a variety of ways (capture, discard, remove, forced withdrawl, ignore, and now even decrease, etc.).  The battle phase is awesome at this point in the life of Redemption.

Don't get me wrong, expansions have made the game better, but I stopped collecting after the priests expansion... It would be nice if the expansions were used to incorporate the old cards not just completely OP them out of the game... To each his own.

I am curious if someone could generate a percentage of decks in the top 20 of open-deck categories that used TGT or Disciples. We could even throw in Genesis to complete the pre-block ignore/protect decks in general. I know that we say we have added cards to thwart pre-block pwnage, but were those decks actually stopped at Nats?

8/10 of the top ten at nats were TGT or Di.

yeaa... TGT was hard to stop with suzzy trolling, DI were hard to stop with Thad abuse, and on offense I thought Heretics were hard to get past with Creepers.

After this new set, I can certainly see Disciples being played way less. TGT is far more popular in multi play though, and i don't necessarily see that changing, not much anyhow. Heretics... dunno

That was in T1-2p.
@Wrath, there was your anti meta troll, the FBTNB, what else?

You say it goes against why you started playing it... may I ask then, why you started playing? I feel this new set did nothing but improve the game.

I have to say, its funny how everyone went running around going TGT IS DEAD! TGT IS DEAD! because of Golgotha. I have a feeling it will actually take a bigger hit this time thanks to the oodles of anti-fort we just got. (An Assyrian siege army from hand is painful.)

If everyone played Golgatha, TGT would only be mostly dead.  There's still some nice things about NT White

I have to say, its funny how everyone went running around going TGT IS DEAD! TGT IS DEAD! because of Golgotha. I have a feeling it will actually take a bigger hit this time thanks to the oodles of anti-fort we just got. (An Assyrian siege army from hand is painful.)

So what you're saying is that TGT WILL BE DEAD THIS TIME! TGT WILL BE DEAD THIS TIME!

Unfortunately I am making my prediction that pre-block ignore/protect will still represent more than half of the top decks at next year's Nats. As MJB pointed out, however, the trend seems to be that next year it will be 90% of the top decks. Frankly, if the top players in the game are using them, why wouldn't a new player do the same...especially if they were one of the other 80 players that lost to them at Nats.

I say all this because we have to realize people like jtay and theselfevident seem to have a legitimate argument, whether we want to admit it or not. There is no Battle Phase with pre-block ignore/protect.

Now, with that said, jtay and theselfevident, Redemption will continue to go through changes until powerful and plentiful counters are created. I remember when FBTN heroes also took away the Battle Phase for awhile. Once the plethora of CBN cards came, there was at least hope for a Battle Phase. I would encourage you to give it some time.

It doesn't matter what Cactus prints (within reason), TGT will be top tier if people try to fit their defense into 8 cards.

It doesn't matter what Cactus prints (within reason), TGT will be top tier if people try to fit their defense into 8 cards.

Thats me If you saw my offense though you'd understand why my defense has to be that small. There just isn't room in my deck

You've still got five booster packs to open.

Still not the same though, you know before even buying the tin that TGT is in there.

If everyone played Golgatha, TGT would only be mostly dead.  There's still some nice things about NT White

If everyone played Golgotha and an NT defense...

You really can't leave that point out Kittens. So the counter to reduced deck variety on the offense was to severely curtail variety on the defense.