Author Topic: The Finals: Goliath (Promo) vs. King Manasseh (Read 6526 times)

Professoralstad · « **on:** April 30, 2011, 12:08:32 AM »

Vote now!

vs.

Isildur · « **Reply #1 on:** April 30, 2011, 12:31:17 AM »

voting for many because he is a legal card.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #2 on:** April 30, 2011, 01:21:07 AM »

This is a really tough one.

JSB23 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 30, 2011, 01:51:50 AM »

Goliath isn't even that great

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #4 on:** April 30, 2011, 01:53:24 AM »

Keeping thinking that.

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #5 on:** April 30, 2011, 10:34:28 AM »

If you're using goliath, you aren't winning because he doesn't guarantee blocks. King manny is much more versatile and had saves to more enhancements that are op

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #6 on:** April 30, 2011, 02:40:45 PM »

Voting Manny because Goliath doesn't deserve to be here. Plus he hasn't even been used yet.

Daniel TS RED · « **Reply #7 on:** April 30, 2011, 04:38:27 PM »

Both are awesome. Goliath is just better than KM.

JSB23 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 30, 2011, 05:25:39 PM »

Quote from: Daniel TS RED on April 30, 2011, 04:38:27 PM

Both are awesome. Goliath is just better than KM.

How do you know that?
Goliath hasn't even been released yet

The Warrior · « **Reply #9 on:** April 30, 2011, 08:50:05 PM »

Don't vote manny just because Goliath isnt out yet. Its Vote for best Best EC, not Vote because you're angry goliath is in the bracket
If u are for manny vote sure but if its just against goliath dont vote manny

JSB23 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 30, 2011, 11:21:26 PM »

Quote from: The Warrior on April 30, 2011, 08:50:05 PM

If u are for manny vote sure but if its just against goliath dont vote manny

Do you hear that?
It's the sound of the English language dying painfully.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #11 on:** April 30, 2011, 11:39:15 PM »

Quote from: Master Q on April 30, 2011, 11:16:07 PM

Can autoblock (CBN if GoJ is up) if you have two human ecs you're willing to lose: King Manasseh

And assuming they didn't band any heroes.

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Is useful in the discard pile as well as in battle (if you have King Amon): King Manasseh

Goliath doesn't get stuck in the discard pile. He's easy to pull back out with outpost and Armor-bearer.

Goliath also dismantles any huge bands entirely on his own, even CBN ones.

Aelec Enitnel · « **Reply #12 on:** April 30, 2011, 11:47:37 PM »

I think Manny is the better of the two but honestly, they are like polar opposites.
Goliath takes down bands and Manny takes down singles, if played right they could work together really good.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #13 on:** April 30, 2011, 11:55:01 PM »

Goliath is critical in a Philly defense, and that is a strong defense. But Manny is critical in both a brown and a pale green defense, and BOTH of those are strong as well.
Natural brigade point : King Manasseh

Goliath is going to be splashed into a lot of decks as a standalone EC. Manny is splashed into decks with Magic Charms, or with demons for him to band to, and again naturally fits into more types of decks to begin with.
Splashability point : King Manasseh

Goliath forces a player to attack with his 2nd best option, and will win a lot of battles without any support at all. Manny can't win a battle without an artifact, or EEs, or 2 human ECs.
Raw power point : Goliath

Goliath can TAUNT. Manny can't.
Taunt power point : Goliath

Goliath is easy to recur (unless Nazzy is around). Manny is hard to recur, but does allow recursion of EEs with King Amon.
Recursion point: Goliath

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #14 on:** April 30, 2011, 11:56:51 PM »

Quote from: Master Q on April 30, 2011, 11:16:07 PM

Play brown and PG without additional cards: King Manasseh
Can draw+play next from horses: King Manasseh
Can utilize Magic Charms AND Gates o' Jerusalem: King Manasseh
Can band to a demon OR magician (CBN if GoJ is up): King Manasseh
Draw 1 when blocking if Gates o' J is up and protected from opponent's cards in territory: King Manasseh
Can autoblock (CBN if GoJ is up) if you have two human ecs you're willing to lose: King Manasseh
Is useful in the discard pile as well as in battle (if you have King Amon): King Manasseh

To be fair, Goliath can also use horses, is easy to recur, and can autoblock in some situations without using any cards at all. Also, King Manasseh got nothing on Thaddeus, but Goliath has numbers, anti-draw, anti-banding, and FbtN to counter all purple very effectively.

Still, I voted Manasseh. If Uzzah were here, I might vote for him, but Manasseh is just so versatile and powerful.

Aelec Enitnel · « **Reply #15 on:** April 30, 2011, 11:57:48 PM »

Amen.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #16 on:** May 01, 2011, 12:11:25 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on April 30, 2011, 11:56:51 PM

Quote from: Master Q on April 30, 2011, 11:16:07 PM
Play brown and PG without additional cards: King Manasseh
Can draw+play next from horses: King Manasseh
Can utilize Magic Charms AND Gates o' Jerusalem: King Manasseh
Can band to a demon OR magician (CBN if GoJ is up): King Manasseh
Draw 1 when blocking if Gates o' J is up and protected from opponent's cards in territory: King Manasseh
Can autoblock (CBN if GoJ is up) if you have two human ecs you're willing to lose: King Manasseh
Is useful in the discard pile as well as in battle (if you have King Amon): King Manasseh
To be fair, Goliath can also use horses, is easy to recur, and can autoblock in some situations without using any cards at all. Also, King Manasseh got nothing on Thaddeus, but Goliath has numbers, anti-draw, anti-banding, and FbtN to counter all purple very effectively.

Still, I voted Manasseh. If Uzzah were here, I might vote for him, but Manasseh is just so versatile and powerful.

With Goliath, horses become "interrupt the battle"

Aelec Enitnel · « **Reply #17 on:** May 01, 2011, 12:17:11 AM »

ha-ha, nice, I would've so missed that and accidently played horses on him.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #18 on:** May 01, 2011, 12:45:26 AM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on May 01, 2011, 12:11:25 AM

With Goliath, horses become "interrupt the battle"

I have absolutely no idea what that's supposed to mean.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #19 on:** May 01, 2011, 12:47:47 AM »

He CBN negates draw and play abilities.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #20 on:** May 01, 2011, 05:22:56 AM »

Prof, throwing taunt in there is entirely numbers fudging. The playtesters made dang sure Goliath's taunting is worthless. It's a shame the most famous taunter had to be the over-balanced guinea pig of the ability. Hopefully future taunters will have useful taunt payoffs or not negate everything that would make taunting valuable.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #21 on:** May 01, 2011, 06:13:02 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on May 01, 2011, 05:22:56 AM

The playtesters made dang sure Goliath's taunting is worthless.

Considering that this is an entirely new ability, I'm glad that they picked something that appears to be on the weaker side. None of us really KNOW yet how powerful the whole idea of taunting is, and I'd rather have the first one be less powerful, than turn out to be OP.

Master KChief · « **Reply #22 on:** May 01, 2011, 06:53:15 AM »

uh, taunting = battle challenges for ec's? of course we have known for a decade and a half how powerful a battle challenge is.

Gabe · « **Reply #23 on:** May 01, 2011, 08:50:46 AM »

Apparently some people haven't played with (or against) Goliath yet. This vote shouldn't even be close.

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #24 on:** May 01, 2011, 09:35:18 AM »

Every man's sword shuts goliath down

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Author Topic: The Finals: Goliath (Promo) vs. King Manasseh (Read 6526 times)

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