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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Unofficial Tournaments => Playgroup and Tournament Central => Redemption March Madness => Topic started by: Professoralstad on April 30, 2011, 12:08:32 AM
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Vote now!
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voting for many because he is a legal card.
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This is a really tough one.
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Goliath isn't even that great :P
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Keeping thinking that.
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If you're using goliath, you aren't winning because he doesn't guarantee blocks. King manny is much more versatile and had saves to more enhancements that are op
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Voting Manny because Goliath doesn't deserve to be here. Plus he hasn't even been used yet.
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Both are awesome. Goliath is just better than KM. ;D
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Both are awesome. Goliath is just better than KM. ;D
How do you know that?
Goliath hasn't even been released yet :P
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Don't vote manny just because Goliath isnt out yet. Its Vote for best Best EC, not Vote because you're angry goliath is in the bracket
If u are for manny vote sure but if its just against goliath dont vote manny
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If u are for manny vote sure but if its just against goliath dont vote manny
Do you hear that?
It's the sound of the English language dying painfully.
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Can autoblock (CBN if GoJ is up) if you have two human ecs you're willing to lose: King Manasseh
And assuming they didn't band any heroes.
Is useful in the discard pile as well as in battle (if you have King Amon): King Manasseh
Goliath doesn't get stuck in the discard pile. He's easy to pull back out with outpost and Armor-bearer.
Goliath also dismantles any huge bands entirely on his own, even CBN ones.
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I think Manny is the better of the two but honestly, they are like polar opposites.
Goliath takes down bands and Manny takes down singles, if played right they could work together really good.
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Goliath is critical in a Philly defense, and that is a strong defense. But Manny is critical in both a brown and a pale green defense, and BOTH of those are strong as well.
Natural brigade point : King Manasseh
Goliath is going to be splashed into a lot of decks as a standalone EC. Manny is splashed into decks with Magic Charms, or with demons for him to band to, and again naturally fits into more types of decks to begin with.
Splashability point : King Manasseh
Goliath forces a player to attack with his 2nd best option, and will win a lot of battles without any support at all. Manny can't win a battle without an artifact, or EEs, or 2 human ECs.
Raw power point : Goliath
Goliath can TAUNT. Manny can't.
Taunt power point : Goliath
Goliath is easy to recur (unless Nazzy is around). Manny is hard to recur, but does allow recursion of EEs with King Amon.
Recursion point: Goliath
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Play brown and PG without additional cards: King Manasseh
Can draw+play next from horses: King Manasseh
Can utilize Magic Charms AND Gates o' Jerusalem: King Manasseh
Can band to a demon OR magician (CBN if GoJ is up): King Manasseh
Draw 1 when blocking if Gates o' J is up and protected from opponent's cards in territory: King Manasseh
Can autoblock (CBN if GoJ is up) if you have two human ecs you're willing to lose: King Manasseh
Is useful in the discard pile as well as in battle (if you have King Amon): King Manasseh
To be fair, Goliath can also use horses, is easy to recur, and can autoblock in some situations without using any cards at all. Also, King Manasseh got nothing on Thaddeus, but Goliath has numbers, anti-draw, anti-banding, and FbtN to counter all purple very effectively.
Still, I voted Manasseh. If Uzzah were here, I might vote for him, but Manasseh is just so versatile and powerful.
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Amen.
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Play brown and PG without additional cards: King Manasseh
Can draw+play next from horses: King Manasseh
Can utilize Magic Charms AND Gates o' Jerusalem: King Manasseh
Can band to a demon OR magician (CBN if GoJ is up): King Manasseh
Draw 1 when blocking if Gates o' J is up and protected from opponent's cards in territory: King Manasseh
Can autoblock (CBN if GoJ is up) if you have two human ecs you're willing to lose: King Manasseh
Is useful in the discard pile as well as in battle (if you have King Amon): King Manasseh
To be fair, Goliath can also use horses, is easy to recur, and can autoblock in some situations without using any cards at all. Also, King Manasseh got nothing on Thaddeus, but Goliath has numbers, anti-draw, anti-banding, and FbtN to counter all purple very effectively.
Still, I voted Manasseh. If Uzzah were here, I might vote for him, but Manasseh is just so versatile and powerful.
With Goliath, horses become "interrupt the battle"
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ha-ha, nice, I would've so missed that and accidently played horses on him.
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With Goliath, horses become "interrupt the battle"
I have absolutely no idea what that's supposed to mean.
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He CBN negates draw and play abilities.
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Prof, throwing taunt in there is entirely numbers fudging. The playtesters made dang sure Goliath's taunting is worthless. It's a shame the most famous taunter had to be the over-balanced guinea pig of the ability. Hopefully future taunters will have useful taunt payoffs or not negate everything that would make taunting valuable.
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The playtesters made dang sure Goliath's taunting is worthless.
Considering that this is an entirely new ability, I'm glad that they picked something that appears to be on the weaker side. None of us really KNOW yet how powerful the whole idea of taunting is, and I'd rather have the first one be less powerful, than turn out to be OP.
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uh, taunting = battle challenges for ec's? of course we have known for a decade and a half how powerful a battle challenge is.
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Apparently some people haven't played with (or against) Goliath yet. This vote shouldn't even be close. ::)
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Every man's sword shuts goliath down
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Every Man's Sword stops taunt (?? I don't remember the errata). But Goliath isn't amazing because of taunt. In fact the taunt part rarely ever works.
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It stops battle challenges and a taunt is a battle challenge.
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Apparently some people haven't played with (or against) Goliath yet. This vote shouldn't even be close. ::)
Haha, dead-on there. Almost nobody has played with or against him.
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Apparently some people haven't played with (or against) Goliath yet. This vote shouldn't even be close. ::)
Haha, dead-on there. Almost nobody has played with or against him.
Which is why I voted for Manny (don't forget the split altar hype ;) ).
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Goliath is going to rock your worlds. I can't believe so many people don't see it.
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My main deck is a luke deck so I don't see how having to choose another inish hero would effect me. Manny, on the other hand, could stop me before I could even play
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Goliath is going to rock your worlds. I can't believe so many people don't see it.
That is a possibility. The thing is, that's all it is. No one knows how powerful Goliath will be, especially since he will barely be used before the next set comes out, and that might deeply impact the game. I don't think he should even be here at all, because the Redemption community has not yet broken him in. Theoretically, he could be the most powerful character ever, but he doesn't belong in the same group as the currently available characters.
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I should be voting for Goliath because Manny beat WS, who beat KoT, who beat SWS, but Manny helped me stop Thad twice this weekend, and I really don't think Goliath can beat a guaranteed CBN autoblock.
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I should be voting for Goliath because Manny beat WS, who beat KoT, who beat SWS, but Manny helped me stop Thad twice this weekend, and I really don't think Goliath can beat a guaranteed CBN autoblock.
If you're talking about T2, that was James the lesser that your Manny stopped. Not Thad... ::)
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I played Gib's Trick on Manny twice against Thad. Gates of Jerusalem really was the thing that really pulled through for me.
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Goliath is going to rock your worlds. I can't believe so many people don't see it.
I agree with this completely. Goliath brings a new meaning to Standalone defenses.