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What about T2 you say? Moses in a T2 deck is laughable, and that is a category where you would be allowed 5 of him! Nobody of note includes 1 of Moses! Honestly, how many Moses did you hear about at the T2-only blowout tournament. At least, Jacob made an appearance. Jacob, despite the counters is played in T2! His appearances speaks of his power.
Jacob existed and dominated long before Moses was a twinkle in Jacob's eye (game related of course).
Many of the counters that Wraith expressed rarely exist in T1. You know what does exist in type 1? FBTN counters! Every type of Redemption card contains CBN and easily fits in Type 1 strategy: lost souls, arts, EEs, ECs...etc. Jacob is more versatile, powerful, and prevalent in T1.
In game strategy: Moses is mediocre and predictable at best. Jacob can come out of nowhere with a ninja attack!
Peep this: Benjamin comes in for a rescue...drops Numerous on the unsuspecting EC....out comes Jacob: BOOM! out comes options! Do you drop answered prayer on them as well? Do you band to an angel to get around Balaam's disobedience...do you outright choose a new blocker? The option are as numerous as the stars Benjamin is gazing at.
Jacob will come out faster than Moses everytime...50/50 nothing. You have Eve, Numerous, Answered Prayer, Angel at shur all willing to search or reveal to go get your boy!
I assert that this a no-brainer vote for all experienced players....even this n00b can see the power, versatility, and awesomeness of Jacob!
Don't drink the Kool-aid! Especially Kool-aid tainted by people who want their "brackets" to stay together. They don't care about the best hero....they care about themselves.
Quote from: soul seeker on March 25, 2011, 12:18:56 PMJacob existed and dominated long before Moses was a twinkle in Jacob's eye (game related of course).Huh? Moses has been around since Warriors. Jacob's first appearance was 3? years later with the C/D decks. And that's not even the good one.Jacob's first printing stayed good until they released the new Jacob. But Moses was around way before him.QuoteMany of the counters that Wraith expressed rarely exist in T1. You know what does exist in type 1? FBTN counters! Every type of Redemption card contains CBN and easily fits in Type 1 strategy: lost souls, arts, EEs, ECs...etc. Jacob is more versatile, powerful, and prevalent in T1. I've probably seen Golgotha in 90% of T1 decks I've played (with and against) since Disciples was released. Obedience of Noah is nice, sure, but in addition to the counters that RW mentioned, there is Grapes of Wrath, which is also in a majority of decks. Moses is sheer power with FBTN, and everything that works against him, will work almost as often vs. Jacob. And Moses can even play Ehud's Dagger to discard any Kings that give him initiative, or any CBP enhancement that would try to stop him.QuoteWhat about T2 you say? Moses in a T2 deck is laughable, and that is a category where you would be allowed 5 of him! Nobody of note includes 1 of Moses! Honestly, how many Moses did you hear about at the T2-only blowout tournament. At least, Jacob made an appearance. Jacob, despite the counters is played in T2! His appearances speaks of his power. Ouch...RW, did that hurt you as much as it did me?Considering I play Moses in my 2P and Multiplayer, and I'm one of Moses' biggest fans, it quite possilby hurt me more.QuoteIn game strategy: Moses is mediocre and predictable at best. Jacob can come out of nowhere with a ninja attack!I drop Moses from hand on my first turn. RA. Rescue. Ninja'd!You can also ninja them with a Transfig.QuotePeep this: Benjamin comes in for a rescue...drops Numerous on the unsuspecting EC....out comes Jacob: BOOM! out comes options! Do you drop answered prayer on them as well? Do you band to an angel to get around Balaam's disobedience...do you outright choose a new blocker? The option are as numerous as the stars Benjamin is gazing at. If you get to play on Benjamin, with CBN enhancements, and all you can do is band in a non-FBTN Hero...bummer.Jacob could then band in Captain, but it would still be a weird play.QuoteJacob will come out faster than Moses everytime...50/50 nothing. You have Eve, Numerous, Answered Prayer, Angel at shur all willing to search or reveal to go get your boy! That may be true, however, Transfiguration can get him both from deck or discard pile. Jacob's recursion consists of Asher and Chariot, neither of which are as close to reliable as Transfig.Gold is also a ridiculously fast offense (at least in T2). As long as you search for or draw gifts, Gen Widow and MtM (and Proud Phars and Pretensions from your opponent) will get him up uber fast. Blue doesn't have speed at all.QuoteI assert that this a no-brainer vote for all experienced players....even this n00b can see the power, versatility, and awesomeness of Jacob!Jacob isn't even the best Blue Hero...he shouldn't even be here...Jacob is definitely the best blue hero. Job is lame.QuoteDon't drink the Kool-aid! Especially Kool-aid tainted by people who want their "brackets" to stay together. They don't care about the best hero....they care about themselves. I'm not drinking anything. Moses is the better Hero. Period. I'm drinking water. Moses could have brought me water from the rock. Moses is the better hero! Exclamation point.
Quote from: soul seeker on March 25, 2011, 12:18:56 PMWhat about T2 you say? Moses in a T2 deck is laughable, and that is a category where you would be allowed 5 of him! Nobody of note includes 1 of Moses! Honestly, how many Moses did you hear about at the T2-only blowout tournament. At least, Jacob made an appearance. Jacob, despite the counters is played in T2! His appearances speaks of his power. I saw more Moses than Jacobs.
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Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on March 25, 2011, 12:27:28 PMQuote from: soul seeker on March 25, 2011, 12:18:56 PMWhat about T2 you say? Moses in a T2 deck is laughable, and that is a category where you would be allowed 5 of him! Nobody of note includes 1 of Moses! Honestly, how many Moses did you hear about at the T2-only blowout tournament. At least, Jacob made an appearance. Jacob, despite the counters is played in T2! His appearances speaks of his power. I saw more Moses than Jacobs.Outside of Sealed? SoulSeeker knows what he's talking about when it comes to blue.Also: no speed? Try informing the first female ever that she's useless. No wonder all Redemption players are male.
Moses is able to play something useful due to his color. Jacob isn't. This isn't "the best hero if you eliminate the criteria that Jacob is awful in, which happens to be one of the most important criteria". This is "the best hero".
You're judging Jacob by his color? Then do this, imagine the same ability in another brigade. Break from your MN mold. Jacob is that good. EDIT: The best Gold has is A-bomb and they don't even need Moses. Moses is not needed in his own brigade or strategy!Fight the MaN!
Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on March 25, 2011, 01:28:15 PMMoses is able to play something useful due to his color. Jacob isn't. This isn't "the best hero if you eliminate the criteria that Jacob is awful in, which happens to be one of the most important criteria". This is "the best hero".Lolwut? What awesome gold card are you imagining? Blue has 100 enhancements better than the best gold enhancment.
Eve has the distinction of speeding up your defense as well. Gold speeds up your opponent.Moses saw God's backside. Jacob actually fought with an Angel.Also: Despite being the leader, Moses lost his temper, and became the first person to literally break God's law.
Defending a Jacob attack is a lot harder than defending a Moses attack.
Also, I can't find the thread yet, and as long as your band of merry Minnesotans don't tamper...Blue has the same amount of votes as Gold in "powerful color" category: 1 or 2 (the part I couldn't remember).
In terms of straight up attack, Jacob wins. Moses has: 8/8 FBTN or.....8/8 FBTN. Jacob's got play first or banding. Now, the banding can create 15/16 FBTN. 15/16 > 8/8. Sure, Moses is easier to recur, but that's still a point in Jacob's favor. The best point you can come up with is that when your guy dies, he's easier to get back? Jacob's much harder to kill.Finally, three letters: CBP.
This is in your opinion on colors.
Case in point between Gold and Blue: which has most recently won a Nationals....oh yeah Blue!
Gold relies on conversion which demons shut down. Blue has a few cards that must be in the deck and drawn before Jacob to shut down.
Don't sell poison berries of "what is the most powerful color" with your Kool-aid of "Best Hero." A. they are separate issues to debate over. B. this really comes down to usefulness of SA and versatility.
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