Author Topic: The Elite Eight - Thaddeus or Susanna (Read 12784 times)

SomeKittens · « **Reply #50 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:39:40 PM »

I agree completely Jonathon. Sometime I should come down and hear one of your sermons.

So, Biblically, it's possible for Judas to have a hero. However, do we really want *another* disciple for Thad?

Carl deuty · « **Reply #51 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:47:58 PM »

Man, doesn't Jesus preach forgivness? Judas played a part in the story of Christ. God knew what was going to happen. I am pretty sure biblical writers did not prboe the mind of Judas to see whether he repented for what he did or not.

CJSports · « **Reply #52 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:57:21 PM »

Quote from: Red on March 23, 2011, 12:30:43 PM

Quote from: soul seeker on March 23, 2011, 10:38:25 AM
Quote from: Red on March 23, 2011, 10:18:28 AM
I do not want a good Judas. Ever. His betrayal may have been used by God but he was still an evil man. Don't paint a picture of light around him.
It is not a "picture of light," it is facts from the Bible and I can prove it. Like it or not, he did minister with the rest of the disciples.
I am aware of that. He still betrayed Christ that outweighs the amount of good he did imo. If Judas was printed as a hero I'd raise a large amount of cain he
re on the boards till the elders regetted the idea.

I guess that you're perfect then. In the bible Jesus said that not one sin is worse than the another. Every sin is against God. We don't deserve anything he gave us, none of us should be considered heros without gods forgiveness. Judas was forgiven because he was a believer. If you recall he did try and take it all back after he saw what happened. His one sing is equal to you or anyone else lieing or using the lords name in vain. SO to say he should not be a hero is saying that every hero and you are perfect.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #53 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:58:06 PM »

If there were ever a Hero Judas, he'd probably be something like this*:

Judas Iscariot
6/4 Purple Hero////12/15 Crimson Evil Character
-Disciple, Enters play as a Hero-

Hero Side: If Son of God is discarded without rescuing a Lost Soul while Judas is in play, convert him to the Evil Character Judas regardless of protection. Cannot be negated.

Evil Character Side: Immune to Disciples and protected from good dominants. While in play, discard Judas if Thirty Pieces of Silver discards a Hero, regardless of protection. Cannot be negated.

But, what do I know. INE.

Owait...

*This post has not been reviewed for accuracy, and several fabrications may or may not exist within the previous sentences.

Red · « **Reply #54 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:59:49 PM »

I'm not saying that. I sin just as bad as others. Judas being a hero would paint a bad picture for the game. I wouldn't hate PofA's idea.

CJSports · « **Reply #55 on:** March 23, 2011, 03:03:06 PM »

God forgave him, he tried to repent, he was a disciple. He's a hero. You're holding one sin against that is equal to one of yours. I could argue against you being made a custom hero because of a sin you made but no because the Lord almighty forgives. If that's not good enough for you then I don't know what is.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #56 on:** March 23, 2011, 03:14:04 PM »

While I personally wouldn't object to Judas being printed as a Hero, Red does have a valid point. Whether we like it or not, it probably wouldn't go over well from a marketing standpoint. Consider the average Christian family, who have always taught their kids that Judas was evil because he betrayed Christ. They've learned the story in Sunday School, and overall see him as nothing but a Disciple who made secret "withdrawals" from the Disciples' money, and later betrayed the source of humanity's salvation. Now this parent hears about Redemption, but sees that in the game, Judas is a Hero, i.e., presented in a positive light. The parent may be uncomfortable with a game that allows people like Judas to rescue the Lost. Sure, it may lead to thought-provoking discussions about Judas' inherent goodness or evil, and the definitions of good and evil in general, but that may not be the conversation that a parent wants to have with his 11-year old.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #57 on:** March 23, 2011, 03:20:52 PM »

Quote from: CJSports on March 23, 2011, 03:03:06 PM

God forgave him, he tried to repent, he was a disciple. He's a hero. You're holding one sin against that is equal to one of yours. I could argue against you being made a custom hero because of a sin you made but no because the Lord almighty forgives. If that's not good enough for you then I don't know what is.

Wait, how is it Biblical that he tried to repent, or that he was forgiven? He hung himself. Debates about that being a mortal sin aside, that doesn't suggest forgiveness. He regretted it, sure, but that's all. I don't believe there's any Biblical evidence to prove that Judas was ever a "hero". He was a thief, and we're not told how much into Jesus' ministry that that was. I may just be not very well-read, but yeah.

I'm inclined to agree with Red. I think that making Judas a Hero is toeing some very, very critical lines. I would probably drop Redemption if he was printed as a Hero, honestly.

Sadness · « **Reply #58 on:** March 23, 2011, 03:57:46 PM »

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Sure, it may lead to thought-provoking discussions about Judas' inherent goodness or evil, and the definitions of good and evil in general, but that may not be the conversation that a parent wants to have with his 11-year old.

What about King Solomon? He is a good hero-he started out loyal to God,but allowed his foreign wives to influence him. He started worshiping foreign gods,ignoring God,inflicting heavy taxes on the common people,building temples to false gods. God then raised up individuals against King Solomon. Maybe we will get a evil King Solomon. That would be great. Someone to counter King David and perhaps some priests.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #59 on:** March 23, 2011, 04:06:54 PM »

Quote from: Sadness on March 23, 2011, 03:57:46 PM

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Sure, it may lead to thought-provoking discussions about Judas' inherent goodness or evil, and the definitions of good and evil in general, but that may not be the conversation that a parent wants to have with his 11-year old.

What about King Solomon? He is a good hero-he started out loyal to God,but allowed his foreign wives to influence him. He started worshiping foreign gods,ignoring God,inflicting heavy taxes on the common people,building temples to false gods. God then raised up individuals against King Solomon. Maybe we will get a evil King Solomon. That would be great. Someone to counter King David and perhaps some priests.

While all that is true, the more common view of Solomon is the wisest man in the world, the son of Israel's most godly King, who built God's temple. I doubt that there will ever be a King Solomon EC, I wouldn't be surprised if there was ever a card similar to Adonijah for Joab, that could convert him to an Evil Character.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #60 on:** March 23, 2011, 04:10:38 PM »

EC Solomon would be useless against King David, unless you've got Golgatha.

Noah · « **Reply #61 on:** March 23, 2011, 04:16:12 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on March 23, 2011, 04:10:38 PM

EC Solomon would be useless against King David, unless you've got Golgatha.

And even then Golgotha only protects N.T. characters.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #62 on:** March 23, 2011, 04:17:01 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on March 23, 2011, 04:10:38 PM

EC Solomon would be useless against King David, unless you've got Golgatha.

Correction: EC Solomon would be useless against King David, even if you have Golgotha. I know Solomon was mentioned once in the N.T. (Consider the Lilies) but I don't think that's the verse that would be chosen for him.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #63 on:** March 23, 2011, 04:29:38 PM »

Would anyone be opposed to me making a topic in the proper forum to address the concept of a "Hero" Judas? It's an interesting topic I don't mind talking about.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #64 on:** March 23, 2011, 04:36:23 PM »

You'd have to have a Global Mod do that, since I'm pretty sure Bryon mods this section. I think the topic has already been discussed at length previously, however, so maybe you could do a search and bring up any new points if you find the thread.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #65 on:** March 23, 2011, 04:43:04 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 23, 2011, 04:17:01 PM

Quote from: SomeKittens on March 23, 2011, 04:10:38 PM
EC Solomon would be useless against King David, unless you've got Golgatha.

Correction: EC Solomon would be useless against King David, even if you have Golgotha. I know Solomon was mentioned once in the N.T. (Consider the Lilies) but I don't think that's the verse that would be chosen for him.

Gah, fail. I keep forgetting Golgatha is NT.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #66 on:** March 23, 2011, 05:51:21 PM »

King Solomon was a good guy who repented at the end of his life and wrote the book of Ecclesiastes to tell the world of his discovery. Don't bring him into this debate.

And again I say, we've had this debate before. here

Sadness · « **Reply #67 on:** March 23, 2011, 08:18:06 PM »

I stand corrected. Thanks for the info.

on another note: who is going to win? the guy? or the girl?

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #68 on:** March 23, 2011, 11:08:18 PM »

Quote from: Sadness on March 23, 2011, 08:18:06 PM

who is going to win? the guy? or the girl?

This is absolutely NOT a matter of boys vs. girls and I hope no one voted that way.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #69 on:** March 23, 2011, 11:29:24 PM »

I felt bound to vote for Susanna thanks to AA.

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #70 on:** March 24, 2011, 09:58:17 AM »

This is probably the closest match so far and the most talked about since this tourney started....I hope my favorite wins. I call whoever wins this match wins the whole tourney

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #71 on:** March 24, 2011, 10:44:04 AM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on March 23, 2011, 11:29:24 PM

I felt bound to vote for Susanna thanks to AA.

AA?

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #72 on:** March 24, 2011, 12:05:04 PM »

Quote from: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on March 24, 2011, 09:58:17 AM

This is probably the closest match so far and the most talked about since this tourney started....I hope my favorite wins. I call whoever wins this match wins the whole tourney

I think Captain has a shot at being both of them, but definitely Susanna.

Josh · « **Reply #73 on:** March 24, 2011, 12:12:25 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on March 23, 2011, 11:08:18 PM

Quote from: Sadness on March 23, 2011, 08:18:06 PM
who is going to win? the guy? or the girl?
This is absolutely NOT a matter of boys vs. girls and I hope no one voted that way.

There were no implications that anyone voted that way. Sometimes a statement of fact is just a statement of fact...

soul seeker · « **Reply #74 on:** March 24, 2011, 12:32:26 PM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on March 24, 2011, 12:05:04 PM

Quote from: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on March 24, 2011, 09:58:17 AM
This is probably the closest match so far and the most talked about since this tourney started....I hope my favorite wins. I call whoever wins this match wins the whole tourney

I think Captain has a shot at being both of them, but definitely Susanna.

Don't underestimate Jacob....he butters Captain's bread AND has the option to play first!

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Author Topic: The Elite Eight - Thaddeus or Susanna (Read 12784 times)

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