Author Topic: The Elite Eight - Thaddeus or Susanna (Read 12758 times)

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #25 on:** March 22, 2011, 11:11:14 AM »

One of two things:
You need to add a "convert Judas" clause
or you need to reprint Judas as a hero.

TechnoEthicist · « **Reply #26 on:** March 22, 2011, 11:14:32 AM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 22, 2011, 11:06:04 AM

Since it's pretty clear that Thad is going to lose, I will assure all of you Thad-fanatics that we're going to help him out in the next set. Here's one of the cards we're making this year:

Calling of the Twelve

Good Dominant

Negate Sites and Artifacts. Search your deck and discard pile for all Disciples and place them in your territory. Return all Heroes from set-aside areas to play. Discard all curses, Evil Enhancements, and N.T. Evil Fortresses in play.

Ok what's the catch...

also how would that work with type 2 since I obviously can't have 3 Thad's in territory

. Although that is an amusing concept.

Gabe · « **Reply #27 on:** March 22, 2011, 11:21:50 AM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on March 22, 2011, 11:11:14 AM

One of two things:
You need to add a "convert Judas" clause
or you need to reprint Judas as a hero.

Pay attention son.

Quote from: Gabe during nominations

Purple
...
Judas Iscariot (2011 version)

CJSports · « **Reply #28 on:** March 22, 2011, 03:24:08 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 22, 2011, 11:06:04 AM

Since it's pretty clear that Thad is going to lose, I will assure all of you Thad-fanatics that we're going to help him out in the next set. Here's one of the cards we're making this year:

Calling of the Twelve

Good Dominant

Negate Sites and Artifacts. Search your deck and discard pile for all Disciples and place them in your territory. Return all Heroes from set-aside areas to play. Discard all curses, Evil Enhancements, and N.T. Evil Fortresses in play.

This means Thaddeus is going to be good early game.

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......................................................NO,BAD THAD.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #29 on:** March 22, 2011, 03:42:42 PM »

Am I the only one that thought that was really funny?

Crashfach2002 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 22, 2011, 03:50:06 PM »

My feeling is that whoever wins this, wins the whole thing!

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #31 on:** March 22, 2011, 03:58:52 PM »

Mr. Mo might disagree.

Sadness · « **Reply #32 on:** March 22, 2011, 04:26:46 PM »

Based off some of the posts, does this mean we might be getting some OT females? Thaddeus can be played in a mixed deck aka (OT & NT). Susanna-white,plus a red brigade for some interesting battles

hi123 · « **Reply #33 on:** March 22, 2011, 05:17:57 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on March 21, 2011, 11:41:37 PM

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on March 21, 2011, 11:35:14 PM
If Thad loses, then everyone needs to shut up about him.

=)
How about everyone who didn't vote for him. I'm gonna think he's the most OP card ever (besides NJ) even if he loses the vote.

Susanna will win. Honestly, she is the better hero. Ya, Thaddeus is protected from harm(sometimes) . But still, a 1/x white hero with a cant be negated ability is very powerful. Thaddeus is 8/8 and bad for initiative.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #34 on:** March 22, 2011, 05:29:42 PM »

Thaddeus doesn't need initiative. Thaddeus will blast through almost any defense without enhancements, and an AoCP is always ready if need be.

White doesn't need inish 90% of the time. Words, Blessings, and He is Risen are the most used White Enhancements, as well as First Fruits and Consider the Lilies, but those are pre-battle. Those are all interrupts. Inish is irrelevant in this matchup.

hi123 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 22, 2011, 05:33:06 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 22, 2011, 05:29:42 PM

Thaddeus doesn't need initiative. Thaddeus will blast through almost any defense without enhancements, and an AoCP is always ready if need be.

White doesn't need inish 90% of the time. Words, Blessings, and He is Risen are the most used White Enhancements, as well as First Fruits and Consider the Lilies, but those are pre-battle. Those are all interrupts. Inish is irrelevant in this matchup.

Thaddeus needs a lot of disciples in play to make him work. But, for white enhancements, you do need some initiative for the enhancements that do not interrupt.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #36 on:** March 22, 2011, 05:39:54 PM »

Quote from: hi123 on March 22, 2011, 05:17:57 PM

Susanna will win. Honestly, she is the better hero. Ya, Thaddeus is protected from harm(sometimes) . But still, a 1/x white hero with a cant be negated ability is very powerful. Thaddeus is 8/8 and bad for initiative.

As RW said, he doesn't need initiative. He protects everything from everything. He doesn't even need enhancements most of the time.

You are entitled to your opinion on which is the better hero, but I know what I think. In my experience, Thaddeus has won more games than Susanna.

Besides, Thad's in a better brigade (IMO), so even if he somehow becomes incapacitated (which is quite difficult to do - something that can't be said for Susie), the deck he's in is more likely to win than a Susanna deck without Susanna.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #37 on:** March 22, 2011, 05:55:26 PM »

Quote from: hi123 on March 22, 2011, 05:33:06 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 22, 2011, 05:29:42 PM
Thaddeus doesn't need initiative. Thaddeus will blast through almost any defense without enhancements, and an AoCP is always ready if need be.

White doesn't need inish 90% of the time. Words, Blessings, and He is Risen are the most used White Enhancements, as well as First Fruits and Consider the Lilies, but those are pre-battle. Those are all interrupts. Inish is irrelevant in this matchup.
Thaddeus needs a lot of disciples in play to make him work. But, for white enhancements, you do need some initiative for the enhancements that do not interrupt.

Susanna needs a lot of N.T. Females in play to make her work. But, for purple enhancements, you do not need some initiative for the enhancements that do interrupt.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #38 on:** March 22, 2011, 11:16:54 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on March 22, 2011, 11:21:50 AM

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on March 22, 2011, 11:11:14 AM
One of two things:
You need to add a "convert Judas" clause
or you need to reprint Judas as a hero.

Pay attention son.

Quote from: Gabe during nominations
Purple
...
Judas Iscariot (2011 version)

That isn't legitimate is it?

soul seeker · « **Reply #39 on:** March 23, 2011, 10:09:12 AM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on March 22, 2011, 11:16:54 PM

Quote from: Gabe on March 22, 2011, 11:21:50 AM
Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on March 22, 2011, 11:11:14 AM
One of two things:
You need to add a "convert Judas" clause
or you need to reprint Judas as a hero.

Pay attention son.

Quote from: Gabe during nominations
Purple
...
Judas Iscariot (2011 version)
That isn't legitimate is it?

It should be. Judas was an active member of Jesus' ministry for almost 3 years.

EDIT: Separated my comment from the quote box. FWIW, I've thought Judas has needed a hero card for awhile now.

Red · « **Reply #40 on:** March 23, 2011, 10:18:28 AM »

I do not want a good Judas. Ever. His betrayal may have been used by God but he was still an evil man. Don't paint a picture of light around him.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #41 on:** March 23, 2011, 10:25:10 AM »

Don't judge a man because of one evil thing he did.

I am against a Judas hero.

We've had this discussion before. Lets not have it again.

soul seeker · « **Reply #42 on:** March 23, 2011, 10:38:25 AM »

Quote from: Red on March 23, 2011, 10:18:28 AM

I do not want a good Judas. Ever. His betrayal may have been used by God but he was still an evil man. Don't paint a picture of light around him.

It is not a "picture of light," it is facts from the Bible and I can prove it. Like it or not, he did minister with the rest of the disciples.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #43 on:** March 23, 2011, 11:59:56 AM »

Kenneth Copeland "ministers" too.

*Trollface*

Red · « **Reply #44 on:** March 23, 2011, 12:30:43 PM »

Quote from: soul seeker on March 23, 2011, 10:38:25 AM

Quote from: Red on March 23, 2011, 10:18:28 AM
I do not want a good Judas. Ever. His betrayal may have been used by God but he was still an evil man. Don't paint a picture of light around him.
It is not a "picture of light," it is facts from the Bible and I can prove it. Like it or not, he did minister with the rest of the disciples.

I am aware of that. He still betrayed Christ that outweighs the amount of good he did imo. If Judas was printed as a hero I'd raise a large amount of cain he
re on the boards till the elders regetted the idea.

soul seeker · « **Reply #45 on:** March 23, 2011, 12:36:26 PM »

Quote from: Red on March 23, 2011, 12:30:43 PM

Quote from: soul seeker on March 23, 2011, 10:38:25 AM
Quote from: Red on March 23, 2011, 10:18:28 AM
I do not want a good Judas. Ever. His betrayal may have been used by God but he was still an evil man. Don't paint a picture of light around him.
It is not a "picture of light," it is facts from the Bible and I can prove it. Like it or not, he did minister with the rest of the disciples.
I am aware of that. He still betrayed Christ that outweighs the amount of good he did imo. If Judas was printed as a hero I'd raise a large amount of cain he
re on the boards till the elders regetted the idea.

So what you are saying is that you will throw a temper tantrum of epic proportions to the status of the first murderer in the Bible because your theological feathers got a bit ruffled. Ironically, you want to cause misery for your fellow Christians over a Christian card game because of your Christian beliefs.

Funny thing is the person who Judas betrayed loves him and treated him with love more than you are willing to do. You do realize that Judas could have been forgiven had he asked right? Afterall, Peter betrayed Christ and was aloud to repent and get to be a hero in Redemption too!

Red · « **Reply #46 on:** March 23, 2011, 12:42:02 PM »

Think about it for a second. This man betrayed the Son Of God. I wouldn't throw a major tantrum but I may quit if he was published.(PM if you wanna contenue the debate. I don't wanna derail this further)

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #47 on:** March 23, 2011, 01:23:33 PM »

Quote from: soul seeker on March 23, 2011, 12:36:26 PM

You do realize that Judas could have been forgiven had he asked right?

I think this is the point of the matter. Nowhere does it say Judas repented. As far as we know, he should not be a hero.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #48 on:** March 23, 2011, 01:26:20 PM »

Quote from: Red on March 23, 2011, 10:18:28 AM

Don't paint a picture of light around him.

The shiny gold border on the Ultra-Rare doesn't count?

soul seeker · « **Reply #49 on:** March 23, 2011, 02:36:11 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 23, 2011, 01:23:33 PM

Quote from: soul seeker on March 23, 2011, 12:36:26 PM
You do realize that Judas could have been forgiven had he asked right?
I think this is the point of the matter. Nowhere does it say Judas repented. As far as we know, he should not be a hero.

Last comment on the tangent:
Judas was one of the twelve, given the power and message to deliver as evident in Mt 10:1-4. He was a "hero" (in Redemption terms) before his mistake.

1 Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
2 These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions

Yes, Judas didn't repent, but neither did Solomon or Saul or others who also have good cards that made mistakes later in life. In fact, all the disciples (but John as far as I can tell) betrayed him in their abandonment. That is why Judas has an evil card and the others doesn't. I don't think it means that he never deserves a hero card (because he did do good things early in the ministry) or that it's worth quitting the game over.

Remember this, all the disciples were grappling with the problem of Jesus not living up to their expectations. It appears that, on some level, they recognized the possibility of betrayal otherwise they wouldn't have taken turns to see if they were the betrayer in Matthew 26:20-22.

20 When evening came, Jesus was reclining at the table with the Twelve. 21 And while they were eating, he said, “Truly I tell you, one of you will betray me.”
22 They were very sad and began to say to him one after the other, “Surely you don’t mean me, Lord?”

Judas ministered, in the SAME WAY, as all the other disciples early in the ministry. He let unrepentant sin grow in his life (greed), found Jesus teachings hard (not the military messiah the Jews wanted), and turned away ("converted" in Redemption terms). It makes perfect sense to me to have a Judas' purple hero.

And one more thing...
We all crucified Jesus. It was our sin that hung him there (Isaiah 53). We all betray Jesus when we are ashamed to speak up for what is right, to witness about the good news, or when we actively choose to participate in secret habitual sin in our life. Instead of throwing rocks at Judas and vilifying him for being human, how about we examine our own lives and realize how much like Judas we are.

But what do I know, I'm only a noob. My

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Author Topic: The Elite Eight - Thaddeus or Susanna (Read 12758 times)

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