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I personally have no problem with Goliath as he really doesnt harm any of my single brigade or dual brigade strats vs Uzzah he either has inish vs me or gets a auto block. Imo the whole point of a auto block is more then enough reason to vote for him vs the "anti" banding GMan.

Goliath has 2 "themes" - Philistine and Giant.  Goliath is warrior-class.  Goliath has big numbers against Ira, Captain, Moses, etc.  His numbers become even better when using his own weapons/armor.  Goliath can taunt you to place your favorite hero under your deck (even better if you had a weapon or other enhancement on them).  

Uzzah has zero theme, is not warrior-class, has small numbers that will lose in a FBTN battle (unless he also has Haman's Plot, which you have to destroy), he has no "name on name" options, and he cannot taunt.  Against the right heroes I concede that Uzzah can auto-win up to two times, but you have to have two artifacts that you don't mind losing.  I also like him for playing Image of Jealousy TC.

My vote was for Goliath.

You do have good points. But, Goliath has horrible initiative. Also, there is not many people using FBTN these days. Half of the redemtion players are using either priests or disciples now. So, Goliath can just get Zeal for the Lord'ed/Angel of the Lord'ed. Ya, hes WC but there arnt alot of enhancements to be put on him besides phillistine chariots and horses.

I do agree that because he is a philli he can be recurred w/Philli outpost.


Uzzah: Great for initiative. Also, he is a garunteed block. ( plus he is an EC actualy in print...) He can also play Hamans Plot( which dosent have to be desroyed now with Hamans Gallows). And he also has initiative to play that unless he is blocking one of those heros that have 1 toughness. ( which there arnt many of those.) Also, your opponent dosent have the initiative to play AOTL, or Zeal againt Uzzah. His ability comes first. Now, If you dont use Uzzahs SA, then he can get AOTL. But, he can be used twice, with a gaunteed block if you play torment on him. - Just a reminder, Uzzah has been in almost every tournament deck, unless it has been defensless. How many people will be using Goliath in every tournament deck when he comes out?

Uzzah wins.

***Plus, like Minister Polarius said, Goliath isnt even out yet. Why should he even be in the brakets? 

Goliath will be out before this thing is over.

can Uzzah play Image o' Jealousy

Yes, actually, he can. Without any outside help, even. Also, how is Goliath anymore recurrable than Uzzah? He's not generic, so Outpost does nothing for him....

I have. Momentarily forgotten about him, though. But honestly, in Type 1, if you're losing your Goliath enough that you're having to keep recurring him then you're probably also losing battles in which case you're about to lose the game. Uzzah doesn't have that problem.

Quote from: browarod on April 23, 2011, 05:08:47 PM

Quote from: Master Q on April 23, 2011, 01:52:31 PM

can Uzzah play Image o' Jealousy

Yes, actually, he can. Without any outside help, even. Also, how is Goliath anymore recurrable than Uzzah? He's not generic, so Outpost does nothing for him....

Ever heard of Philistine Armorbearer?

This actually brings up a good point...based on the fact that Philistine Armorbearer can recur Goliath, 12 Finger Giant or Garrison, would he actually be a better EC than Goliath? Essentially Armorbearer can copy any of those 3 very strong ECs so I think it's just worth thinking about...

Goliath Ftw. uzzah is cool and works well as a splash or theme card yes but seriously ONE block?
Goliath has a well established theme and one of the best Sa's ive seen yet, ALSO I MEAN WHO DOESN'T LIKE TAUNT
oh and
Philly Armorbearer > SWS

Philly Armorbearer > SWS

I fail to see how that's possible, considering SWS is the best character in the game.

It jsut shows how versatile sws is! I can even discard him from my hand to satisfy the site discard lost soul.

Not only is Goliath almost never an autoblock, but he also allows your opponent to use two different heroes' abilities. And there are still very few counters to Uzzah.

except fbtn, preblock ignore, CTB, crown of thorns, immune to brown, the new custom hero sa that negates SA's on EC's of */2 or less, et/aocp. any prophet/hiddeent treasures and a shuffle/convert/discard/remove

Goliath ftw.

actually with the new ruling on reducing defense (by the hunger discussion), crown of thorns would work, even in battle

actually with the new ruling on reducing defense (by the hunger discussion), crown of thorns would work, even in battle

It has always worked in battle do you mean it would discard the character?

I think he was saying that they might change that.