Author Topic: Round 4: Goliath (Promo) vs. Uzzah (Read 7078 times)

Professoralstad · « **on:** April 21, 2011, 05:55:09 PM »

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WINNER: Goliath (Promo)

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 21, 2011, 06:12:19 PM »

Why?

I refuse to vote, but I do think that the winner of this wins it all.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #2 on:** April 21, 2011, 10:12:50 PM »

Goliath. This isn't even close.

Master KChief · « **Reply #3 on:** April 21, 2011, 11:15:45 PM »

uzzah. 99% guaranteed block + access to hp wins it in my book.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #4 on:** April 21, 2011, 11:21:36 PM »

I almost voted for Goliath, just because I'm mad that Gomer lost, but I went with Uzzah. Seriously, autoblock that doesn't give a chance to interrupt is win. Goliath is good, but I'm not sure he'll cut it in the end.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #5 on:** April 21, 2011, 11:54:20 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on April 21, 2011, 11:21:36 PM

I almost voted for Goliath, just because I'm mad that Gomer lost, but I went with Uzzah. Seriously, autoblock that doesn't give a chance to interrupt is win. Goliath is good, but I'm not sure he'll cut it in the end.

But it can only block once. Goliath is also an auto block if the opponent only has one character/banding chain. Goliath is huge and cna block Thad for a long time. Goliath can Taunt Thad and other under the pile. Goliath can wear his armor and be epic Thad killing master.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #6 on:** April 22, 2011, 12:05:47 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 21, 2011, 11:54:20 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on April 21, 2011, 11:21:36 PM
I almost voted for Goliath, just because I'm mad that Gomer lost, but I went with Uzzah. Seriously, autoblock that doesn't give a chance to interrupt is win. Goliath is good, but I'm not sure he'll cut it in the end.

But it can only block once. Goliath is also an auto block if the opponent only has one character/banding chain. Goliath is huge and cna block Thad for a long time. Goliath can Taunt Thad and other under the pile. Goliath can wear his armor and be epic Thad killing master.

And Uzzah can be used in a deck.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #7 on:** April 22, 2011, 12:08:36 AM »

Not only is Goliath almost never an autoblock, but he also allows your opponent to use two different heroes' abilities. And there are still very few counters to Uzzah.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #8 on:** April 22, 2011, 12:12:14 AM »

Uzzah wastes an artifact, so I hope you have one to lose. Goliath is an early game autoblock if for no other reason than someone does not expect a Goliath from hand and has to rescue with the wrong hero. You guys are in for a surprise.

Master KChief · « **Reply #9 on:** April 22, 2011, 12:30:33 AM »

there are many expendable artifacts that can become food for uzzah. not only that, but there really should be no hesitation at all between deciding if you want to save an art or win the game by staying one turn ahead of your opponent by chump blocking. goliath can be an autoblock early game, but uzzah is autoblock at every stage of the game. many games amongst top tier players are decided by only one turn.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #10 on:** April 22, 2011, 12:34:47 AM »

I'll stick with Goliath for now, but I'm considering Uzzah. I don't think Goliath is going to be what we think he will.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #11 on:** April 22, 2011, 12:36:06 AM »

What is Uzzah doing against FBTN? Pretty sure I have a FBTN in virtually every deck. Goliath can be Uzzah, but he can be so much more than that as well. Uzzah is too one dimensional. That dimeonsion is great, but not that great compared to Goliath's toolkit. You can plan for an Uzzah. You can't really plan for Goliath effectively.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #12 on:** April 22, 2011, 12:43:57 AM »

Yes I can

I call it Holy Grail.

That being said I agree that he's better.

The Guardian · « **Reply #13 on:** April 22, 2011, 12:56:16 AM »

Goliath is going to open up a whole new psychology factor to Redemption...

Imagine I use Urim and Thummim to view your hand. I see that you're hiding Goliath. I attack with Hero A. At this point you aren't sure if I'm attacking with what is actually my 2nd best option because I'm hoping you block with the G-Man and allow me to switch for my 1st best option or if I'm already attacking with my 1st best option because I'm guessing you won't block with Goliath since I know that you know that I know...

All that being said, I voted for Uzzah simply for the fact that Goliath is yet unproven.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #14 on:** April 22, 2011, 01:36:38 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 21, 2011, 11:54:20 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on April 21, 2011, 11:21:36 PM
I almost voted for Goliath, just because I'm mad that Gomer lost, but I went with Uzzah. Seriously, autoblock that doesn't give a chance to interrupt is win. Goliath is good, but I'm not sure he'll cut it in the end.

But it can only block once.

Uzzah can block more than once. He's also great for initiative, with a Haman's Plot to drop.

The Guardian · « **Reply #15 on:** April 22, 2011, 01:38:24 AM »

I was once in a game where 2 Uzzahs (1 from each player) made a combined 3 blocks, none of which were by using his special ability.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #16 on:** April 22, 2011, 01:43:33 AM »

If Uzzah isn't using his SA, he is a largely a worthless character. At that point, you are essentially viotoing Gib Trick and Haman's Plot on a 3/2 are better than Goliath.

I have played one game with Goliath. He blocked my TGT band. I didn't have other heroes because he came from hand. I was sold.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #17 on:** April 22, 2011, 02:12:10 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 22, 2011, 01:43:33 AM

If Uzzah isn't using his SA, he is a largely a worthless character. At that point, you are essentially viotoing Gib Trick and Haman's Plot on a 3/2 are better than Goliath.

I have played one game with Goliath. He blocked my TGT band. I didn't have other heroes because he came from hand. I was sold.

You're essentially saying that Uzzah's ability, along with HP and in some scenarios Gibeonite Treachery isn't amazing? That's two, possibly three blocks. Somebody asked what Uzzah is doing against FBTN? It's Haman's Plot.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #18 on:** April 22, 2011, 09:11:52 AM »

Goliath has 2 "themes" - Philistine and Giant. Goliath is warrior-class. Goliath has big numbers against Ira, Captain, Moses, etc. His numbers become even better when using his own weapons/armor. Goliath can taunt you to place your favorite hero under your deck (even better if you had a weapon or other enhancement on them).

Uzzah has zero theme, is not warrior-class, has small numbers that will lose in a FBTN battle (unless he also has Haman's Plot, which you have to destroy), he has no "name on name" options, and he cannot taunt. Against the right heroes I concede that Uzzah can auto-win up to two times, but you have to have two artifacts that you don't mind losing. I also like him for playing Image of Jealousy TC.

My vote was for Goliath.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #19 on:** April 22, 2011, 01:38:17 PM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on April 22, 2011, 02:12:10 AM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 22, 2011, 01:43:33 AM
If Uzzah isn't using his SA, he is a largely a worthless character. At that point, you are essentially viotoing Gib Trick and Haman's Plot on a 3/2 are better than Goliath.

I have played one game with Goliath. He blocked my TGT band. I didn't have other heroes because he came from hand. I was sold.

You're essentially saying that Uzzah's ability, along with HP and in some scenarios Gibeonite Treachery isn't amazing? That's two, possibly three blocks. Somebody asked what Uzzah is doing against FBTN? It's Haman's Plot.

If that's your reason, you are essentially just voting brown brigade over black brigade. At least do it with your eyes open.

soul seeker · « **Reply #20 on:** April 22, 2011, 01:43:12 PM »

I voted for Uzzah with the main reason in mind that Guardian mentioned. Goliath is unproven.

Uzzah has proven auto-blocks.
Uzzah has proven initiative (for the brown enhancements mentioned already).

It was a tough call, but what if Goliath is over-hyped like Split Altar?

Finally, I don't think "best EC" should be won on hype alone. It would be nice to see a proven track record.

Irish_Luck · « **Reply #21 on:** April 22, 2011, 11:50:28 PM »

I voted Goliath with hopes that one day there will be an evil version of pre-block. Then again I am also still hoping to find a way to convert a demon.

Bryon · « **Reply #22 on:** April 23, 2011, 01:26:12 AM »

Goliath is AMAZING in the early game. When your opponent only has 1 hero (or only one hero that can win a battle). Uzzah stinks in the early game, when you have zero artifacts to burn (or zero artifacts you can afford to give up base on the cards you see your opponent is using).

Goliath is not as good at the end of the game. By then, your opponent has so many options for heroes, that you are just trading death by hero A for death by hero B. At the end of the game, Uzzah is amazing. You have artifacts you don't need, so Uzzah is pretty much a free block.

Kurt has both of these guys in one of his decks. If he draws Uzzah early and Goliath late, I can win. If he gets Goliath early and Uzzah late, then he gets too much of a head start and often I can't catch up.

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #23 on:** April 23, 2011, 02:26:50 AM »

Goliath might be unproven, but he is still a huge EC with enhancements. Everyone is talking about HP on Uzzah, what about Goliath w/ his armor, and Bringing Fear to back up on him, as well as other negates? Don't count enhancement's, we're voting on EC's. Uzzah has great initiative and a great SA, but he is a solo block. Goliath is good for a while. And although he might not be as good late game, he still is making you use a different hero than what you chose originally. Goliath got my vote, and it was tied at 20 when I voted.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #24 on:** April 23, 2011, 02:34:48 AM »

All that CBP stuff still hurts to FBTN enhancements.

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Author Topic: Round 4: Goliath (Promo) vs. Uzzah (Read 7078 times)

TheHobbit13

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Rawrlolsauce!

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Chronic Apathy