Author Topic: Round 3 - Purple - King Amaziah or John (Read 2669 times)

Bryon · « **on:** March 15, 2012, 01:27:50 AM »

Which is the better Redemption hero?

Jmbeers · « **Reply #1 on:** March 15, 2012, 05:41:42 AM »

There is a reason he is called King Amazing...

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #2 on:** March 15, 2012, 07:05:47 AM »

CTB will always be the second-best ability (best being side-battles).

Red Wing · « **Reply #3 on:** March 15, 2012, 09:06:52 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on March 15, 2012, 07:05:47 AM

CTB will always be the second-best ability (best being side-battles).

And Amaziah gets around Writ/Charms/GiC. He can use TToD, and Valley of Salt is CBN on him.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #4 on:** March 15, 2012, 11:48:58 AM »

Here's how I made my decision.

King Amaziah's nick-name = King Amazing (which is inherently amazing)

John's nick-name = John (inherently boring because it's the same as his name!)

Ergo King Amazing wins because he's, well, Amazing.

Master KChief · « **Reply #5 on:** March 15, 2012, 12:14:35 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on March 15, 2012, 07:05:47 AM

CTB will always be the second-best ability (best being side-battles).

Hmm, figured ignore would rank up there somewhere...

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #6 on:** March 15, 2012, 12:17:17 PM »

Ignore isn't a great ability in and of itself. Being able to use it pre-block makes it great, but that's circumstantial. CTB and side-battles are great whether or not the opponent has already blocked/attacked. Furthermore, CTB is extremely useful for both offense and defense (as are side-battles) while Ignore is terrible for Defense.

Master KChief · « **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2012, 12:19:36 PM »

Well we're talking about offensive cards here, so ignore on defense is moot. Ignore is better because it gives them less possible options than CTB does. I also dont need another card to make ignore actually be good.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2012, 12:38:41 PM »

You may have been talking about offensive cards, but I was talking about abilities.

Regardless, Persians and N.T. defenses can shrug off Ignore all day, as well as any defense using Hating the Light, Large Tree or Defiant for some reason. The only recourse to CTB is KotW+WoP (leaving you wide open to Goliath) or to be playing the brigade chosen.

Master KChief · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2012, 01:02:39 PM »

We're talking about comparing two offensive cards abilities. Why else would we need to talk about how they compare defensively? CTB also blows chunks on defense. This is nothing new.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on March 15, 2012, 12:38:41 PM

Regardless, Persians and N.T. defenses can shrug off Ignore all day, as well as any defense using Hating the Light, Large Tree or Defiant for some reason. The only recourse to CTB is KotW+WoP (leaving you wide open to Goliath) or to be playing the brigade chosen.

Hmm, I wonder which is more playable and more likely to be seen: Gallows/Hating the Light/Large Tree/Defiant/NT defenses vs Kotw/WoP/playing the brigade chosen...

Jmbeers · « **Reply #10 on:** March 15, 2012, 02:54:10 PM »

Considering the sheer versitility Amaziah I'm actually very surprised the voting is this close. I feel like the wide spread popularity of Disciples is swaying the vote.

Master Q · « **Reply #11 on:** March 15, 2012, 03:00:08 PM »

Any ability that can only be used once and needs set-up will always be 2nd best to a negate EC, N.T., TGT prophet, imo. Granted, Amazing is almost a guaranteed soul every time, but John can win souls all day.

Master KChief · « **Reply #12 on:** March 15, 2012, 03:03:15 PM »

Agreed. John roflstomps the meta all day. TGT puts him over the top.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #13 on:** March 15, 2012, 03:08:29 PM »

Originally I was persuaded to vote for Amaziah, but then I remembered I'm a T2 player first and foremost.

T2 John >> T2 King Amazing.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #14 on:** March 15, 2012, 03:25:22 PM »

Only the CTB is once per game, the capture replace is always good. How does John stop Goliath, KoT, Writ, Charms, or Gomer? All in the "meta"

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Wings of Music · « **Reply #15 on:** March 15, 2012, 03:28:50 PM »

He prevents KoT, but I have no idea about the rest of it.

I still maintain that King Amazing is the better character. His ability is essentially an auto win. He also has valley of Salt, and TToD to work with for support. So my vote is still for Amazing.

MitchRobStew · « **Reply #16 on:** March 15, 2012, 03:33:38 PM »

John gets this. Philip should have crushed King Amazing, and the best 2nd best t2 purple hero didn't even make the tourny....

stefferweffer · « **Reply #17 on:** March 15, 2012, 04:14:38 PM »

I don't see King Amaziah as an auto-win. He requires at least one other card, meaning an EC that you want to block him with. This means: 1) If you draw King Amaziah but no EC, you can't do it., 2) You lose one of your ECs to make it work, 3) If that EC was only in your deck for KA, then that EC is worthless in your hand until you draw KA, 4) KA is vulnerable to Grapes of Wrath being played on your EC (unless you plan to AOTL your own EC), 5) You need to hope your opponent does not have EEs in the color of whomever you pre-block with. He is especially vulnerable to the suicide defense that does use these little 1/1 guys and their EEs, and he's also vulnerable to losing an artifact to Lying Unto God (assuming anyone uses this awesome card anymore). 6) And of course, even if you do pull off the once per game condition, your opponent can Bury the LS you were going for, play SOG and/or NJ on it, or Martyr King Amaziah. Granted, they can do this with John too, but when John comes out into battle later on his ability still works. Not so with Amaziah.

John on the other hand, plus Garden Tomb (which I readily admit I can't stand), has many times that he cannot be blocked at all, and he laughs at the "all-powerful" Uzzah.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #18 on:** March 15, 2012, 04:56:16 PM »

John shouldn't even be close to Amaziah. John is NT, uses Garden Tomb, negates most ECs, has access to the best enhancement in the game, has a banding partner if needed, and has access to Herod's Temple.

This isn't even a contest.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #19 on:** March 15, 2012, 07:41:22 PM »

John. Absolutely. I'm a Di player, so I'm a bit biased, but he's pretty darn nasty.

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