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Which is the better Redemption hero?

No contest here...

Which is why Jepthah should be here instead.  That would've at least been a decent match-up.

Spy would've also been a better match-up.

Amasai would've also been a better match-up.

What happened to all those guys?

Jepthah is the only only legit Red hero.

Why would you not use it for solid red?

29-1. Finally the result is working out how it should.

Or by not being a TGT hero

There's the problem.  CaC is in a weaker brigade than John.  He is not a disciple (therefore does not help to make Thad invincible).  He is not a TGT hero.  And he doesn't get to play AoCP.  CaC is nowhere near as good as John.

I understand your reasoning, and I agree with it.  I think it speaks to the deficiency of Red as a brigade and why it won't be competitive anytime soon.

Honestly, cards like TSA, Captain, other FBTN heroes, AoCP, Thaddeus, ET, Jacob, Phinehas/Zeal, etc are so OP that they will probably be useful and competitive forever.  Red has zero cards like that, and with the new emphasis on making "useful cards that are balanced and not OP" (see the Disciples expansion), Red will never get the cards to make CaC be as good or better than John. 

Can anyone see Red becoming a stand-alone offense in T1 without getting some seriously powerful (or one or two OP) cards?  Honestly. 

Quote from: Prof Underwood on March 19, 2011, 12:08:48 AM

There's the problem.  CaC is in a weaker brigade than John.  He is not a disciple (therefore does not help to make Thad invincible).  He is not a TGT hero.  And he doesn't get to play AoCP.  CaC is nowhere near as good as John.

I understand your reasoning, and I agree with it.  I think it speaks to the deficiency of Red as a brigade and why it won't be competitive anytime soon.

Honestly, cards like TSA, Captain, other FBTN heroes, AoCP, Thaddeus, ET, Jacob, Phinehas/Zeal, etc are so OP that they will probably be useful and competitive forever.  Red has zero cards like that, and with the new emphasis on making "useful cards that are balanced and not OP" (see the Disciples expansion), Red will never get the cards to make CaC be as good or better than John. 

Can anyone see Red becoming a stand-alone offense in T1 without getting some seriously powerful (or one or two OP) cards?  Honestly. 

I can I'm bookmarking this, we'll come back to it after nationals ok?

When we are developing cards for a new set, there is often a tug-of-war in card balancing.  The OP cards in Redemption are typically cards that got bumped up one too many times in the development process - without any voices saying "I've tested this extensively and it is just too strong.  Let's take it back down a notch."

If Thaddeus can get bumped up 3 levels in playtesting to the point where he was when printed, then I expect that can happen in another brigade as well.

A big Hero with a useful SA: Red lacks. (shared with Gold and Blue)

Red has Amasai, which is pretty awesome, although shut down by Nazareth. Blue has Levi and Simeon, too.

Ooh, forgot about those two. I wouldn't count Amasi because his SA isn't battle-useful.

I agree with most of your points about Red, but an early Amasi can be pretty destructive. You will win battles just based on the fact your opponent has so few EEs left to use.