Author Topic: Round 2 - Teal - Phinehas son of Eleazar or Priests of Christ (Read 6863 times)

Master KChief · « **Reply #25 on:** March 16, 2011, 07:32:53 PM »

no meta is more 'important' than any other, but some meta's are more powerful than others. a meta that abuses buckler is obviously more powerful than a meta that uses que.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #26 on:** March 17, 2011, 11:13:09 AM »

Despite Thad getting pulled through by recommendations of good players, it doesn't look like people are swaying on this one. Jordan, Justin, and MKC have all said that Phineas is far superior to PoC.

Red · « **Reply #27 on:** March 17, 2011, 11:52:37 AM »

Quote from: Bryon on March 16, 2011, 01:05:26 PM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on March 16, 2011, 11:26:03 AM
This voting process is just proving to me Speed is still the most heavily used archetype.
It's proving to me that the FBN heroes from The Warriors expansion are still too powerful. The Strong Angel, Moses, Captain, and Benaiah all made it to the top 4 of their brigades. Only Ira was left out, and that is mainly due to the huge Genesis flood of heroes, and the recent Job uptick.

Because the other heros by them selvelves stink.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #28 on:** March 17, 2011, 04:25:20 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 17, 2011, 11:13:09 AM

Jordan, Justin, and MKC have all said that Phineas is far superior to PoC.

Don't forget me

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #29 on:** March 17, 2011, 04:49:48 PM »

PoC wins for its shininess.

Master KChief · « **Reply #30 on:** March 17, 2011, 05:01:32 PM »

thats what i was going to say...poc is more than likely winning because of its nats promo status and gold border.

browarod · « **Reply #31 on:** March 17, 2011, 05:24:29 PM »

People aren't idiots just because they disagree with what some "REP"s (and Elders) say. Sure you may think Phinehas is better, but in teal decks I've used that included one or both, I have used PoC for more successful rescue attempts than I have used Phinehas for. Does that mean PoC is "better"? For me, yes. Does that mean PoC is OH MAH GOODNESS, THE BEST HERO OF THE TWO HANDS DOWN AND ANYONE THAT DISAGREES DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING? No way. You obviously think Phinehas is better, which you are perfectly allowed to think. But to say that one card or another is winning just because "it's shiny and is a promo" is an insult to people's intelligence. It's like me saying you only picked Phinehas because he has BIG NUMBERS and the pic looks COOL. You don't know, so don't speak against them.

I'm tired of seeing people berating those who voted differently just because they disagree with "the right choice". This is an opinion contest, there is no "right choice", only "your choice". If you don't agree, that's fine, but they're not a worse person just because they have a differing opinion than you.

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Bryon · « **Reply #32 on:** March 17, 2011, 05:48:26 PM »

I disagree with your rant. Therefore you are ignorant.

Kidding aside, thank you for the reminder. Please remember, "Always try to be kind to each other."

Master KChief · « **Reply #33 on:** March 17, 2011, 06:38:57 PM »

i believe enough of us in this thread have thoroughly weighed the pros and cons of both characters to arrive at a sound conclusion of who is the 'better' redemption hero. saying peters mother in law is better than mary the mother of james just because you use her alot and shes won a couple rescues for you is fine and dandy, but that doesnt negate the fact of which has won more rescues and been proven over and over through the test of time and high ranking tournaments played by high calibur players to be the 'better' redemption hero. poc is severely limited in scope and only potentially useful early game, is easily shut down by naz (a commonly used card now), retains mediocre numbers, and has a nigh-useless secondary ability (immunity on heroes is on the same scale as ignore on evil characters). the only thing going for it over phin is access to the nt soul.

phin, on the other hand, is accessible at every stage of the game...big numbers to kick a solo kot in the teeth, protection from writ/charms and other popular captures, protection from conversion (phin laughs at gold shield), protects your other heroes from discard (also laughs at plot), and is even wc (though admittedly this is oft not used). oh wait, did i mention his synergy with zeal, one of the most broken and unnegateable 2 card combos since the inception of priests?

its cool to have an opinion and personal bias towards a card, everyones entitled to their own perogative...but when it comes down to the facts, in terms of sheer utility and power creep, phin stands heads and shoulders over 90-100% of teal heroes.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #34 on:** March 17, 2011, 06:48:38 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on March 17, 2011, 04:25:20 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 17, 2011, 11:13:09 AM
Jordan, Justin, and MKC have all said that Phineas is far superior to PoC.
Don't forget me

I disagree with many of your disagreements.

Yeah, KoT would absolutely destroy PoC.

browarod · « **Reply #35 on:** March 17, 2011, 06:56:28 PM »

Your "facts" are just as much opinion as anything else considering they depend completely on what others are playing. When what other people are playing changes, so does the usefulness of any one specific card.

That's all I'm going to say on this. I don't want to turn this it an argument.

Master KChief · « **Reply #36 on:** March 17, 2011, 07:05:32 PM »

and whats a poc going to do to a kot? bounce off, chalk another one up for kot.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #37 on:** March 17, 2011, 07:10:59 PM »

There's this card I use in almost every teal deck now... its called ezra's journey.

Master KChief · « **Reply #38 on:** March 17, 2011, 07:21:50 PM »

i believe a cards power creep is also measured by how many other cards are needed to make a 'stop'. kot in most cases requires the hero to use up one additional card (while that card is also a card that must be limited in scope due to kots stellar ability) just to take him out by himself. even if kot loses, its usually a win for d in terms of card advantage. poc/ezras already puts kot at + 1 card advantage, is conditional upon ot human heroes, AND you must be playing as lambo.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #39 on:** March 17, 2011, 07:34:25 PM »

Yeah, and PoC is the only N.T. teal hero, so that means you can band in everyone else.

browarod · « **Reply #40 on:** March 17, 2011, 08:02:35 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on March 17, 2011, 07:34:25 PM

Yeah, and PoC is the only N.T. teal hero

You forgot about Zecharias.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #41 on:** March 17, 2011, 10:13:34 PM »

I didn't mean any offense by my post. I just can't help but think that if PoC were not a national promo and Phinehas was, he would be winning hands down. I'm not sure who all is voting in this thing, but it's unquestionable that more naïve players prefer shininess and pretty pictures over actual playability. I'm almost positive that has played a role in this vote. That shouldn't be offensive to anyone who actually has playstyle reasons for voting for PoC over Phinehas.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #42 on:** March 17, 2011, 10:18:57 PM »

Also playing a role in this vote: Brackets.

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Author Topic: Round 2 - Teal - Phinehas son of Eleazar or Priests of Christ (Read 6863 times)

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