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Who is the better EC?

King Manasseh
27 (67.5%)
Egyptian Magicians
13 (32.5%)

Total Members Voted: 36

Voting closed: April 12, 2012, 03:59:29 PM

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Re: Round 2: Multi: King Manasseh vs. Egyptian Magicians
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2012, 11:37:22 PM »
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The thing about Manny is, he's like one of those engines that can burn anything. He's great if any one of like 5 things is true, and it's very possible and likely to have more than one true at the same time. With ALL of his support he's pretty much Exodia, but he's Blue Eyes the rest of the time.

Magicians needs more support than Manny to reach the same level of power, so making the argument that Manny won't have all his support at all times is a bit moot in this matchup.
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Re: Round 2: Multi: King Manasseh vs. Egyptian Magicians
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2012, 01:51:55 AM »
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Exactly what Pol said.

If Manny doesn't have GoJ to band to Kot then chances are he has 2kH plus and end the battle enhancement.

If Manny doesn't have 2kH and and enhancement he probably has Charms.

If he doesn't have charms he probably has DoU, Plot or some other CBN/I battle winner. 

If he doesn't have battle-winners to play there are probably two humans to discard to return a hero. 

If they band then there's probably Baalam to get you an FBTN band. 

If there's no Baalam then GoJ is probably out and he can now band to KoT. 

The point is, it's a rare day when Manny has nothing for support. 
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Re: Round 2: Multi: King Manasseh vs. Egyptian Magicians
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2012, 02:03:27 AM »
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Manny+Jambres+Jannes+EM+Dreaming Pharaoh+Baker+Cupbearer+Wise men+Huge w/ Horses... What u thought u had a chance? Silly u...

My thoughts, why not just use them together? And then I'll ask if u want to play again after I Invoking u + D2 and play WF and I wave bye-bye to ur favorite Heroes.

Also, Invoking goes under if Manny uses it too, he's a Multi-Color Magician.
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Re: Round 2: Multi: King Manasseh vs. Egyptian Magicians
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2012, 03:10:48 AM »
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Quote from: Wings of Music on April 10, 2012, 01:51:55 AM
Exactly what Pol said.

If Manny doesn't have GoJ to band to Kot then chances are he has 2kH plus and end the battle enhancement.

If Manny doesn't have 2kH and and enhancement he probably has Charms.

If he doesn't have charms he probably has DoU, Plot or some other CBN/I battle winner. 

If he doesn't have battle-winners to play there are probably two humans to discard to return a hero. 

If they band then there's probably Baalam to get you an FBTN band. 

If there's no Baalam then GoJ is probably out and he can now band to KoT. 

The point is, it's a rare day when Manny has nothing for support.

And if you have all that and not the 1 card in your deck you need to play it on...oh, that's right, you have dead draws more times than not. There is a reason you don't see this defense in the meta, and that's because it's too inconsistent. It doesn't matter how awesome your combo is. If you're not tutoring the pieces out easily, then it's not consistent, and the more pieces the less consistent it becomes. Like Exodia.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2012, 03:15:08 AM by Master KChief »
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Re: Round 2: Multi: King Manasseh vs. Egyptian Magicians
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2012, 12:23:16 PM »
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2kH and end the battle can also be utilized by the ASA and Soul Survivor (maybe Archers) in your deck just as easily.

Charms goes on Balaam and Users of Curious Arts as well as Manny.

All the mentioned battle-winners work on other members of the defense.

If you have two humans but not manny, you have blockers.

Gomer and SoT also band to Balaam for a good FbtN block.

GoJ also works on Rehoboam (and Amon if you're using him).


It's not that Manny has a bunch of stuff that just Manny can use. It's all still a cohesive defense with many, many interchangeable parts without Manny, just as Gardenciples is still powerful without TGT.
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Re: Round 2: Multi: King Manasseh vs. Egyptian Magicians
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2012, 12:33:17 PM »
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Even if you don't get Manny you'll still have a good defense. 
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Re: Round 2: Multi: King Manasseh vs. Egyptian Magicians
« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2012, 01:11:29 PM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 10, 2012, 12:23:16 PM
2kH and end the battle can also be utilized by the ASA and Soul Survivor (maybe Archers) in your deck just as easily.

Charms goes on Balaam and Users of Curious Arts as well as Manny.

All the mentioned battle-winners work on other members of the defense.

If you have two humans but not manny, you have blockers.

Gomer and SoT also band to Balaam for a good FbtN block.

GoJ also works on Rehoboam (and Amon if you're using him).


It's not that Manny has a bunch of stuff that just Manny can use. It's all still a cohesive defense with many, many interchangeable parts without Manny, just as Gardenciples is still powerful without TGT.

So your defense is Assyrians, Magicians, Kings and demons together?
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Re: Round 2: Multi: King Manasseh vs. Egyptian Magicians
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2012, 01:13:59 PM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 09, 2012, 11:37:22 PM
The thing about Manny is, he's like one of those engines that can burn anything. He's great if any one of like 5 things is true, and it's very possible and likely to have more than one true at the same time. With ALL of his support he's pretty much Exodia, but he's Blue Eyes the rest of the time.

I lol'ed at this. Exodia and Blue Eyes haven't been good for like 6 years. I get your point, I just thought this was funny.  ;D
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Re: Round 2: Multi: King Manasseh vs. Egyptian Magicians
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2012, 01:42:14 PM »
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My manny defenses typically look like this:

GoJ
GoH

Manny
Rehoboam
ASA
Survivor
Balaam
Users
SoT
KoT
Gomer
Archers and/or Amon depending on offense size

2kH
Forgotten History
Gib Trick
Plot
DoU
Wicked Community
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Re: Round 2: Multi: King Manasseh vs. Egyptian Magicians
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2012, 01:54:38 PM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 10, 2012, 01:42:14 PM
My manny defenses typically look like this:

GoJ
GoH

Manny
Rehoboam
ASA
Survivor
Balaam
Users
SoT
KoT
Gomer
Archers and/or Amon depending on offense size

2kH
Forgotten History
Gib Trick
Plot
DoU
Wicked Community
Wicked Community over Worshipping Demons? I don't even know what Wicked Community does...
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Re: Round 2: Multi: King Manasseh vs. Egyptian Magicians
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2012, 02:01:06 PM »
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Wicked Community is a REALLY bizarre card in that defense. You only have one EC to play it on...
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Re: Round 2: Multi: King Manasseh vs. Egyptian Magicians
« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2012, 02:03:52 PM »
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Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on April 10, 2012, 02:01:06 PM
Wicked Community is a REALLY bizarre card in that defense. You only have one EC to play it on...
I'm guessing he meant Wickedness of the Tenants, but I couldn't think of the card initially.
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Re: Round 2: Multi: King Manasseh vs. Egyptian Magicians
« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2012, 09:29:26 PM »
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Wickedness Abounds?  The Brown D4-play next?
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Re: Round 2: Multi: King Manasseh vs. Egyptian Magicians
« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2012, 12:51:36 AM »
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Quote from: jmhartz on April 10, 2012, 09:29:26 PM
Wickedness Abounds?  The Brown D4-play next?
Ah yes, that's the one.
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