Author Topic: Round 2: Multi: King Manasseh vs. Egyptian Magicians (Read 6992 times)

Professoralstad · « **on:** April 09, 2012, 03:59:29 PM »

Who is the better EC?

Red Wing · « **Reply #1 on:** April 09, 2012, 04:05:37 PM »

Manny 4 repeat!

Wings of Music · « **Reply #2 on:** April 09, 2012, 04:16:48 PM »

How on earth does EM have more votes than Manny? He has more tricks up his sleeve by far.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #3 on:** April 09, 2012, 04:20:54 PM »

Quote from: Wings of Music on April 09, 2012, 04:16:48 PM

How on earth does EM have more votes than Manny? He has more tricks up his sleeve by far.

Manny can't recur this every block.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #4 on:** April 09, 2012, 04:24:44 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on April 09, 2012, 04:20:54 PM

Quote from: Wings of Music on April 09, 2012, 04:16:48 PM
How on earth does EM have more votes than Manny? He has more tricks up his sleeve by far.

Manny can't recur this every block.

Or can he???

Drrek · « **Reply #5 on:** April 09, 2012, 04:25:17 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 09, 2012, 04:24:44 PM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on April 09, 2012, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: Wings of Music on April 09, 2012, 04:16:48 PM
How on earth does EM have more votes than Manny? He has more tricks up his sleeve by far.

Manny can't recur this every block.

Or can he???

he can, he just needs to band to EM

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #6 on:** April 09, 2012, 04:26:31 PM »

Quote from: Drrek on April 09, 2012, 04:25:17 PM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 09, 2012, 04:24:44 PM
Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on April 09, 2012, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: Wings of Music on April 09, 2012, 04:16:48 PM
How on earth does EM have more votes than Manny? He has more tricks up his sleeve by far.

Manny can't recur this every block.

he can, he just needs to band to EM
Or can he???

Or just draw it off of 2K Horses.
Double instaposted, BTW.

Quote from: Wings of Music on April 09, 2012, 04:16:48 PM

How on earth does EM have more votes than Manny? He has more tricks up his sleeve by far.

King Manny is better by himself, but Egyptian Magicians is so much better in the big picture. I would even use him over Manny in a standalone defense because he can grab a dominant.

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on April 09, 2012, 04:20:54 PM

Quote from: Wings of Music on April 09, 2012, 04:16:48 PM
How on earth does EM have more votes than Manny? He has more tricks up his sleeve by far.

Manny can't recur this every block.

Fifth. Best. Battlewinner.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #7 on:** April 09, 2012, 04:31:49 PM »

Manny blocks, draws 3, and CBN does:

autoblock with ability
end the battle x2
plots
dies unrighteous

or bands to a magician or Demon

fun banding chains:

Manny - WS - SoT - Gomer - KoT variant chains
Manny - WS - SWS (whoever you want) chains
Manny - WS - SoT - Gomer - PP/other autoplayer chains

I want me some Manny.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #8 on:** April 09, 2012, 04:55:51 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 09, 2012, 04:31:49 PM

Manny blocks, draws 3, and CBN does:

autoblock with ability
end the battle x2
plots
dies unrighteous

or bands to a magician or Demon

fun banding chains:

Manny - WS - SoT - Gomer - KoT variant chains
Manny - WS - SWS (whoever you want) chains
Manny - WS - SoT - Gomer - PP/other autoplayer chains

I want me some Manny.

This

Plus there's the fact that Manny can band to EM to get EM's benefits if he wants.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #9 on:** April 09, 2012, 05:12:32 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on April 09, 2012, 04:26:31 PM

Fifth. Best. Battlewinner.

Yes, however, being able to use it every time your opponent blocks as long as your deck isn't shuffled and Egyptian Magicians isn't discarded is a pretty big deal. As a battlewinner, it's not that good, but the recursion is pretty crazy.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #10 on:** April 09, 2012, 06:05:17 PM »

Invoking Terror, big deal. It doesn't do anything except give Sam an excuse to edict, John an excuse to Reach, and Joseph an excuse to do any of like 5 things. Manny is one of if not the best EC's in the game, certainly MUCH better and more versatile than EM.

Minion of Jesus · « **Reply #11 on:** April 09, 2012, 06:10:54 PM »

But if you play Invoking Terror on a Multi-color magician, it goes beneath your deck which makes it so your Opponent cannot negate it because it's out of play and under deck. I love it.

Nameless · « **Reply #12 on:** April 09, 2012, 06:11:38 PM »

Since E magicians made me look bad I vote Manny.(And because he is better)

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #13 on:** April 09, 2012, 06:14:12 PM »

Quote from: Minion of Jesus on April 09, 2012, 06:10:54 PM

But if you play Invoking Terror on a Multi-color magician, it goes beneath your deck which makes it so your Opponent cannot negate it because it's out of play and under deck. I love it.

If people are voting for EM because they think this, that explains it. Minion, it doesn't work that way. Invoking is fully negatable.

Minion of Jesus · « **Reply #14 on:** April 09, 2012, 06:15:43 PM »

If it's beneath your deck, how can you negate it?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #15 on:** April 09, 2012, 06:17:47 PM »

It's one of the more advanced principles of Redemption. If you want to get into a discussion about it, I recommend first looking up one of the many ruling threads that have already happened or, barring that, start a new one.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #16 on:** April 09, 2012, 06:23:47 PM »

Lets break down the uses.

EM is a d1. Manny can easily be a d3.

EM bands to an egyptian. Manny can band to an magician or a demon.

EM is CBI. Manny is CBN.

EM has recursion of a battle winner. Manny can auto-block CBN.

Conclusion, Manny sings this:

"Anything you can do I can do better, I can do anything better than yoouuuu!"

Minion of Jesus · « **Reply #17 on:** April 09, 2012, 06:27:15 PM »

Since when is Manny CBN?

Wings of Music · « **Reply #18 on:** April 09, 2012, 06:27:55 PM »

Since Gates of Jerusalem.

Drrek · « **Reply #19 on:** April 09, 2012, 06:59:22 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 09, 2012, 06:05:17 PM

Invoking Terror, big deal. It doesn't do anything except give Sam an excuse to edict, John an excuse to Reach, and Joseph an excuse to do any of like 5 things. Manny is one of if not the best EC's in the game, certainly MUCH better and more versatile than EM.

I wonder what those 5 things you think Joseph can do are, since the only things I can think of are Abes servant to Ur (and I don't know that many people ever include that), Joseph Before Pharaoh, Sign of the Rainbow (which I've never seen anyone use) and Abes Kid (which actually, I'm not sure if that one works since it specifically says "in play").

Manny is definitely better though.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #20 on:** April 09, 2012, 07:12:53 PM »

Pol, are you also forgetting that Invoking is Territory Class?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #21 on:** April 09, 2012, 08:24:07 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on April 09, 2012, 07:12:53 PM

Pol, are you also forgetting that Invoking is Territory Class?

Nope. I don't see how that matters, though.

lightningninja · « **Reply #22 on:** April 09, 2012, 09:09:37 PM »

No way, egyptian magicians. Draws more cards and sets up better combos. Hands down. Better brigades too, he's the ultimate coward blocker.

Redoubter · « **Reply #23 on:** April 09, 2012, 10:01:36 PM »

I love how everyone describes Manny in terms of having all the cards he needs to become awesome...You won't always have the fortress, the horses, and the characters to band to or the enhancements to win a battle. If he is your lynchpin, you will lose many games waiting for him or his support.

He's not always CBN, he's not always D3, he's not always able to band to XYZ, he's not always able to use those battle-winners. In fact, more often than not, he won't have that complete package (if you even get him out).

I am voting for him this round, but I just want to point that out.

Master KChief · « **Reply #24 on:** April 09, 2012, 10:19:32 PM »

Quote from: Redoubter on April 09, 2012, 10:01:36 PM

I love how everyone describes Manny in terms of having all the cards he needs to become awesome...You won't always have the fortress, the horses, and the characters to band to or the enhancements to win a battle. If he is your lynchpin, you will lose many games waiting for him or his support.

He's not always CBN, he's not always D3, he's not always able to band to XYZ, he's not always able to use those battle-winners. In fact, more often than not, he won't have that complete package (if you even get him out).

I am voting for him this round, but I just want to point that out.

I am so glad someone finally pointed this out. Mono-manny is good but certainly not great; splash Manny is far better.

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Author Topic: Round 2: Multi: King Manasseh vs. Egyptian Magicians (Read 6992 times)

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