Author Topic: Round 2 - Green - Micah or Simeon (Read 4936 times)

Bryon · « **on:** March 15, 2011, 03:21:04 AM »

Which is the better Redemption hero?

crustpope · « **Reply #1 on:** March 15, 2011, 08:26:00 AM »

Micah is way better than simeon with his recursion and low initiative. SOme people are just ga ga over di. and arent thinginig

Irish_Luck · « **Reply #2 on:** March 15, 2011, 01:30:18 PM »

This shouldn't even be close. Micah recurring things like two bears, search, and pretty much any key green enhancement is almost unbeatable. I use the gold Simeon in my Green deck because he's so much more useful than the new one.

crustpope · « **Reply #3 on:** March 15, 2011, 01:47:16 PM »

Quote from: Irish_Luck on March 15, 2011, 01:30:18 PM

This shouldn't even be close. Micah recurring things like two bears, search, and pretty much any key green enhancement is almost unbeatable. I use the gold Simeon in my Green deck because he's so much more useful than the new one.

Agreed. I just think people have stars in their eyes for disciples cards. I would love to know why simeon (yes he can band but other than that...?) is better than the guy who can recur search, provisions, two bears, plague of frogs, benniah snaches a spear, .....

really?

christiangamer25 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 15, 2011, 02:05:57 PM »

because right now according to current rules he can't be discarded including to numbers unless the player using him as played there son of god thats why

crustpope · « **Reply #5 on:** March 15, 2011, 02:24:03 PM »

Simeon (Di)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Green • Ability: 7 / 6 • Class: None • Special Ability: If you have not played Son of God this game, protect Simeon from discard. May band to a N.T. prophet. Cannot be negated by an evil card.

And I guess discarding someone is the ONLY way you can stop a rescue... Lets see...I can shuffle, Remove, capture or return to hand/territory. Besides you laready have Herods temple, you dont need Simeon. with Herods temple ANY NT hero is a Simeon, there are only a few characters who return enhancements to draw pile.

christiangamer25 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 15, 2011, 02:32:17 PM »

shuffle stopped by naz capture stopped by cp anna or obadiahs caves return to hand ill give you very few people do it but i see your point i guess i just like him i voted for micah though cause at the end of the day your right. i was only trying to explain peoples reasons.

crustpope · « **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2011, 02:38:39 PM »

people who play with green wont play with nazzy becuase it shuts down their own shuffle and search

christiangamer25 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2011, 02:41:12 PM »

lol yeah i know im just a nutcase and should be using hsr i just like the extra green site for potential lock if i need it and since i normally keep it empty i can push it in battle to search and the protect from shuffle only applys to opponets cards

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2011, 07:31:45 PM »

CBN banding+Discard Protection in a brigade with Hidden Treasures and Obediah's Caves...yeah, Simeon's way better than Micah, even though Micah is quite good too.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #10 on:** March 15, 2011, 08:23:59 PM »

Simeon is better in T2, where recursion is not that valuable since you can start out with almost as many copies of enhancements as you want. He's also the only prophet that can band to another prophet, which can be super useful. And CBN, don't forget. He's a juggernaut. In T1 though, I might vote for Micah, because recursion is super amazing in T1.

crustpope · « **Reply #11 on:** March 15, 2011, 08:37:44 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on March 15, 2011, 08:23:59 PM

Simeon is better in T2, where recursion is not that valuable since you can start out with almost as many copies of enhancements as you want. He's also the only prophet that can band to another prophet, which can be super useful. And CBN, don't forget. He's a juggernaut. In T1 though, I might vote for Micah, because recursion is super amazing in T1.

hmmmm, Aaron and Miriam say hello

Plus you may be able to put up to 5 copies of any enhancement in a deck in type 2 but it is better to put smaller numbers of enhancements of many different counters in the deck and then use Micah to recur the ones that are useful

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #12 on:** March 15, 2011, 08:44:36 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on March 15, 2011, 08:37:44 PM

Quote from: BubbleBoy on March 15, 2011, 08:23:59 PM
Simeon is better in T2, where recursion is not that valuable since you can start out with almost as many copies of enhancements as you want. He's also the only prophet that can band to another prophet, which can be super useful. And CBN, don't forget. He's a juggernaut. In T1 though, I might vote for Micah, because recursion is super amazing in T1.

hmmmm, Aaron and Miriam say hello

Aaron doesn't band to another prophet, he bands to Miriam.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #13 on:** March 15, 2011, 09:19:08 PM »

Not the disciples Aaron.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #14 on:** March 16, 2011, 02:37:38 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on March 15, 2011, 07:31:45 PM

CBN banding+Discard Protection in a brigade with Hidden Treasures and Obediah's Caves...yeah, Simeon's way better than Micah, even though Micah is quite good too.

Agree 100%. Micah can recur enhancements, sure. However, a Simeon+Anna band often doesn't need enhancements, since capture and discard are the two most common ways to stop Heroes. Simeon should be in every Prophets deck, and he can even be splashed into a Disciples/TGT deck to band to Peter or John. Micah should also be in every Prophets deck, but I don't see him being very useful in any other deck types.

Let's also not forget that you still have to redraw the cards you shuffle with Micah before using them again. In T1, I would think that the games rarely last long enough to draw and use the cards twice, and in T2, the decks are much bigger, which of course means slower.

Irish_Luck · « **Reply #15 on:** March 16, 2011, 11:29:28 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on March 15, 2011, 08:44:36 PM

Quote from: crustpope on March 15, 2011, 08:37:44 PM
Quote from: BubbleBoy on March 15, 2011, 08:23:59 PM
Simeon is better in T2, where recursion is not that valuable since you can start out with almost as many copies of enhancements as you want. He's also the only prophet that can band to another prophet, which can be super useful. And CBN, don't forget. He's a juggernaut. In T1 though, I might vote for Micah, because recursion is super amazing in T1.

hmmmm, Aaron and Miriam say hello
Aaron doesn't band to another prophet, he bands to Miriam.

Miriam (G)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Green • Ability: 4 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Hero ignores gold brigade evil characters. • Play As: Hero ignores evil gold Evil Characters. • Identifiers: OT Female Human, Musician, Prophet • Verse: Exodus 15:21 • Availability: G Deck

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #16 on:** March 16, 2011, 11:31:20 AM »

It's a dead heat going into the final laps.

crustpope · « **Reply #17 on:** March 16, 2011, 12:12:20 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 16, 2011, 02:37:38 AM

Let's also not forget that you still have to redraw the cards you shuffle with Micah before using them again. In T1, I would think that the games rarely last long enough to draw and use the cards twice, and in T2, the decks are much bigger, which of course means slower.

In type 2 search x5 plus HT means your enhancments dont stay hidden very long.

Micah is way better than simeon

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #18 on:** March 16, 2011, 11:53:23 PM »

Quote from: Irish_Luck on March 16, 2011, 11:29:28 AM

Quote from: BubbleBoy on March 15, 2011, 08:44:36 PM
Quote from: crustpope on March 15, 2011, 08:37:44 PM
Quote from: BubbleBoy on March 15, 2011, 08:23:59 PM
Simeon is better in T2, where recursion is not that valuable since you can start out with almost as many copies of enhancements as you want. He's also the only prophet that can band to another prophet, which can be super useful. And CBN, don't forget. He's a juggernaut. In T1 though, I might vote for Micah, because recursion is super amazing in T1.

hmmmm, Aaron and Miriam say hello
Aaron doesn't band to another prophet, he bands to Miriam.
Miriam (G)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Green • Ability: 4 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Hero ignores gold brigade evil characters. • Play As: Hero ignores evil gold Evil Characters. • Identifiers: OT Female Human, Musician, Prophet • Verse: Exodus 15:21 • Availability: G Deck

My point was not that she isn't a prophet, it was that she is only one hero. No freedom. Simeon can be added to any other NT Prophet, and CBN.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #19 on:** March 17, 2011, 11:10:00 AM »

I agree that this is close, but I still have to side with Micah. I really don't think Green has enough firepower to break through a defense, and Micah is the only thing that solves that problem. Simeon and Micah are good, yeah, but you can pick them off individually. Discard Anna, Writ/Charms Simeon. They aren't THAT good.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #20 on:** March 17, 2011, 11:29:44 AM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 17, 2011, 11:10:00 AM

I agree that this is close, but I still have to side with Micah. I really don't think Green has enough firepower to break through a defense, and Micah is the only thing that solves that problem. Simeon and Micah are good, yeah, but you can pick them off individually. Discard Anna, Writ/Charms Simeon. They aren't THAT good.

You gotta negate Anna (AND Obi's Caves) before you can Writ Simeon.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #21 on:** March 17, 2011, 11:52:22 AM »

You can hit Simeon the next time around. Doesn't he negate O.T. forts?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #22 on:** March 17, 2011, 12:03:29 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 17, 2011, 11:52:22 AM

You can hit Simeon the next time around. Doesn't he negate O.T. forts?

No. That's John the Baptist.

crustpope · « **Reply #23 on:** March 17, 2011, 12:42:09 PM »

Hit simeon with sinning hand and I would be willing to bet you would want Micah then.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #24 on:** March 17, 2011, 12:46:31 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on March 17, 2011, 12:42:09 PM

Hit simeon with sinning hand and I would be willing to bet you would want Micah then.

Again, Obadiah's Caves...

By the way, saying Sim is better than Micah is not saying that I don't want Micah. I really want both. But if I were to choose one, I would choose Simeon.

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Author Topic: Round 2 - Green - Micah or Simeon (Read 4936 times)

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