Author Topic: Round 1 - Red - Centurion at Calvary or Jephthah (Read 3047 times)

Bryon · « **on:** March 02, 2012, 01:01:49 AM »

Which is the better Redemption hero?

Asahel24601 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2012, 07:39:06 AM »

Centurian. he has an easy way around standalone

Red · « **Reply #2 on:** March 02, 2012, 08:52:26 AM »

Centurion's junk compared to Jephthah. Jephthah's still good past T1.

Red Wing · « **Reply #3 on:** March 02, 2012, 10:15:19 AM »

Quote from: Red on March 02, 2012, 08:52:26 AM

Centurion's junk compared to Jephthah. Jephthah's still good past T1.

Centurion isn't junk. He has access to the NT only and stops chump blockers. Both lack initiative, but more interrupts work on Centurion.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #4 on:** March 02, 2012, 10:40:05 AM »

Killing 2 ECs in your opponent's territory before they can even block is better than just negating them.

Discarding your own top card can be great if you set it up to be a LS.

Jephthah is one of the few Red heroes who is actually any good outside of a mono-red offense.

I like Jephthah for this one.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #5 on:** March 02, 2012, 10:50:10 AM »

Jephthah makes TGT better. Therefore, Jephthah is better.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #6 on:** March 02, 2012, 10:58:43 AM »

The best anagram of Centurion at Calvary is "Run to a vinyl race cat." Jephthah has no decent anagrams. Therefore, Centurion at Calvary is far better.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #7 on:** March 02, 2012, 11:04:50 AM »

Jepthah can be used in a variety of decks. Centurian really is only going to make it into Mono red. Jepthah is far more useful.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #8 on:** March 02, 2012, 11:06:24 AM »

Jep for versatility and possible soul discard.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #9 on:** March 02, 2012, 11:34:19 AM »

If anyone plays an actual defense, then they'll use a Protect Fort/Site. If a person plays with your typical speed/standalones defense deck, they'll keep their EC's in hand. He is easily negated by a KoT from hand, and doesn't stop Uzzah.

Centurion at Calvary can be banded in by Abishai (thus finishing off a banding Chain that negates ECs and evil weapons). He can rescue the NT only LS, and can be protected by Herod's Temple. Finally, he can use Foreign Sword, which can allow him to negate Unholy Writ.

Centurion wins.

Josh · « **Reply #10 on:** March 02, 2012, 12:14:46 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 02, 2012, 11:34:19 AM

If anyone plays an actual defense, then they'll use a Protect Fort/Site. If a person plays with your typical speed/standalones defense deck, they'll keep their EC's in hand. He is easily negated by a KoT from hand, and doesn't stop Uzzah.

Centurion at Calvary can be banded in by Abishai (thus finishing off a banding Chain that negates ECs and evil weapons). He can rescue the NT only LS, and can be protected by Herod's Temple. Finally, he can use Foreign Sword, which can allow him to negate Unholy Writ.

Centurion wins.

And you didn't even mention his Site Access.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #11 on:** March 02, 2012, 12:58:00 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 02, 2012, 11:34:19 AM

If anyone plays an actual defense, then they'll use a Protect Fort/Site. If a person plays with your typical speed/standalones defense deck, they'll keep their EC's in hand. He is easily negated by a KoT from hand, and doesn't stop Uzzah.

Centurion at Calvary can be banded in by Abishai (thus finishing off a banding Chain that negates ECs and evil weapons). He can rescue the NT only LS, and can be protected by Herod's Temple. Finally, he can use Foreign Sword, which can allow him to negate Unholy Writ.

Centurion wins.

The problem is that nobody plays an actual defense, and since Centurion is only going to be in a Mono Red deck, no deck with Centurion is going to win against a good player.

Master Q · « **Reply #12 on:** March 02, 2012, 01:11:58 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 02, 2012, 12:58:00 PM

The problem is that nobody plays an actual defense, and since Centurion is only going to be in a Mono Red deck, no deck with Centurion is going to win against a good player.

I remember someone at Nats last year using red with TGT and doing alright...

Calvary doesn't need backup to win battles (especially if banded in). You have to have backup with Jep. I have found Jep pretty useless for the most part; he's not WC, his ability is only good once (and can be risky), and it's negate-able.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #13 on:** March 02, 2012, 01:24:23 PM »

Quote from: Master Q on March 02, 2012, 01:11:58 PM

Calvary doesn't need backup to win battles (especially if banded in). You have to have backup with Jep. I have found Jep pretty useless for the most part; he's not WC, his ability is only good once (and can be risky), and it's negate-able.

Jepthah can discard an entire defense on his own. If Calvary is blocked by somebody with 8 toughness, he's pretty much done for. Banding is the main thing though.

Master KChief · « **Reply #14 on:** March 02, 2012, 02:04:58 PM »

If we're strictly speaking T1, no one lays down EC's, so that point is moot. The 'blocked by somebody with 8 toughness' is a wash, since the same holds true for Jep.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #15 on:** March 02, 2012, 02:33:38 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 02, 2012, 01:24:23 PM

Quote from: Master Q on March 02, 2012, 01:11:58 PM
Calvary doesn't need backup to win battles (especially if banded in). You have to have backup with Jep. I have found Jep pretty useless for the most part; he's not WC, his ability is only good once (and can be risky), and it's negate-able.
Jepthah can discard an entire defense on his own. If Calvary is blocked by somebody with 8 toughness, he's pretty much done for. Banding is the main thing though.

If Jephthah can discard an entire defense on his own, that means that the entire defense is a selection of Uzzah, Gomer, KoT, TAS, and Sabbath Breaker. All of those are useless vs. Centurion except Gomer and KoT if Centurion has no backup, and Herod's Temple makes even Plot NBD vs. Centurion.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #16 on:** March 02, 2012, 06:58:16 PM »

Okay, I'm convinced. Vote changed.

Well, I got that wrong on my bracket...

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #17 on:** March 02, 2012, 07:01:14 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 02, 2012, 02:33:38 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 02, 2012, 01:24:23 PM
Quote from: Master Q on March 02, 2012, 01:11:58 PM
Calvary doesn't need backup to win battles (especially if banded in). You have to have backup with Jep. I have found Jep pretty useless for the most part; he's not WC, his ability is only good once (and can be risky), and it's negate-able.
Jepthah can discard an entire defense on his own. If Calvary is blocked by somebody with 8 toughness, he's pretty much done for. Banding is the main thing though.

If Jephthah can discard an entire defense on his own, that means that the entire defense is a selection of Uzzah, Gomer, KoT, TAS, and Sabbath Breaker. All of those are useless vs. Centurion except Gomer and KoT if Centurion has no backup, and Herod's Temple makes even Plot NBD vs. Centurion.

Uh huh, and on the other hand, is Centurion really good in anything but a mono red deck or maybe - maybe - TGT? You can pretty much splash Jeph into anything.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #18 on:** March 02, 2012, 07:04:21 PM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on March 02, 2012, 07:01:14 PM

Uh huh, and on the other hand, is Centurion really good in anything but a mono red deck or maybe - maybe - TGT? You can pretty much splash Jeph into anything.

He could easily be splashed into a W/C FBTN deck that uses a red focus (and most of the good ones do).

Master KChief · « **Reply #19 on:** March 02, 2012, 10:07:23 PM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on March 02, 2012, 07:01:14 PM

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 02, 2012, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 02, 2012, 01:24:23 PM
Quote from: Master Q on March 02, 2012, 01:11:58 PM
Calvary doesn't need backup to win battles (especially if banded in). You have to have backup with Jep. I have found Jep pretty useless for the most part; he's not WC, his ability is only good once (and can be risky), and it's negate-able.
Jepthah can discard an entire defense on his own. If Calvary is blocked by somebody with 8 toughness, he's pretty much done for. Banding is the main thing though.

If Jephthah can discard an entire defense on his own, that means that the entire defense is a selection of Uzzah, Gomer, KoT, TAS, and Sabbath Breaker. All of those are useless vs. Centurion except Gomer and KoT if Centurion has no backup, and Herod's Temple makes even Plot NBD vs. Centurion.

Uh huh, and on the other hand, is Centurion really good in anything but a mono red deck or maybe - maybe - TGT? You can pretty much splash Jeph into anything.

Because you see Jep splashed in soooo many decks nowadays, eh? I think the bottomline is Centurion can make successful rescues by himself all day every day in todays meta, while Jep is at the very best just a support Hero that dies easily.

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Author Topic: Round 1 - Red - Centurion at Calvary or Jephthah (Read 3047 times)

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