Author Topic: Round 1 - Green - Simeon or Armorbearer (Read 6709 times)

Bryon · « **on:** March 04, 2012, 10:30:08 AM »

Which is the better banding hero?

Simeon (Di)
Armorbearer (Wa)

Red Wing · « **Reply #1 on:** March 04, 2012, 10:36:21 AM »

Simeon+Anna can walk in for a lot of souls especially when paired with Hidden Treasures. But Armorbearer helps Sam, so…

cardsofmanykinds · « **Reply #2 on:** March 04, 2012, 02:21:50 PM »

i expect you mean the new simeon, right?

Red Wing · « **Reply #3 on:** March 04, 2012, 02:29:01 PM »

Quote from: cardsofmanykinds on March 04, 2012, 02:21:50 PM

i expect you mean the new simeon, right?

Yes. Simeon (Di)

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #4 on:** March 04, 2012, 02:39:14 PM »

Armorbearer bands to better characters

Noah · « **Reply #5 on:** March 04, 2012, 04:15:40 PM »

But Simeon is protected from discard and it cannot be negated against evil cards.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #6 on:** March 04, 2012, 04:19:10 PM »

Quote from: tripleplayNo3 on March 04, 2012, 04:15:40 PM

But Simeon is protected from discard and it cannot be negated against evil cards.

But Armorbearer bands to cards I actually want to use and isn't stuck in a waste of an NT prophet offense.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #7 on:** March 04, 2012, 05:18:12 PM »

Armorbearer helps sam. Therefore, Armorbearer is better.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #8 on:** March 04, 2012, 11:41:40 PM »

Remember last year, when we actually considered cards on their own merits?

Simeon's a much better hero when toe-to-toe against Armorbearer.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #9 on:** March 05, 2012, 12:13:18 AM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on March 04, 2012, 11:41:40 PM

Remember last year, when we actually considered cards on their own merits?

I think that this year, Prophets in particular are not getting judged on their own merits because most people find prophets decks (other than maybe Isaiah) to be uncompetitive at the top levels. Therefore their cards are looked at more through the lens of Sam decks.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #10 on:** March 05, 2012, 12:16:52 AM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on March 04, 2012, 11:41:40 PM

Remember last year, when we actually considered cards on their own merits?

Simeon's a much better hero when toe-to-toe against Armorbearer.

Would you like me to list the cards Armorbearer can band to and the cards Sim can band to in a blind test and you can tell me which list has better heroes?

Didn't think so.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #11 on:** March 05, 2012, 01:09:55 AM »

Simeon is a much better Hero, but people will probably vote for Armorbearer because Sam is so much better than everything else he bleeds over into all other races.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #12 on:** March 05, 2012, 01:23:59 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on March 05, 2012, 01:09:55 AM

Simeon is a much better Hero, but people will probably vote for Armorbearer because Sam is so much better than everything else he bleeds over into all other races.

Best hero isn't in a continuum. NT prophets stink. Sam doesn't. Armorbearer is better.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 05, 2012, 08:55:50 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on March 05, 2012, 01:23:59 AM

Best hero isn't in a continuum. NT prophets stink. Sam doesn't. Armorbearer is better.

Not if you play them right. NT prophets/TGT is pretty beastly.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #14 on:** March 05, 2012, 09:12:02 AM »

NT prophets aren't top tier, but they're a lot better than you give them credit for.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #15 on:** March 05, 2012, 10:40:23 AM »

Yes, but Armorbearer fits into S tier decks, Simeon doesn't. Case closed.

Master KChief · « **Reply #16 on:** March 05, 2012, 10:42:45 AM »

What deck is S Tier?

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #17 on:** March 05, 2012, 10:45:15 AM »

Sam decks, and a lot of people would argue that Armorbearer is a staple in every Sam deck regardless of the direction the builder has gone in.

Master KChief · « **Reply #18 on:** March 05, 2012, 11:02:07 AM »

Tier S (0) decks are decks that win even with everyone teching against it. Basically, a Tier 0 beats all its own anti-cards meaning it is just that broken. I can see TGT being Tier 0 for awhile, but are Sams that broken?

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 05, 2012, 11:07:22 AM »

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #20 on:** March 05, 2012, 11:08:00 AM »

Quote from: Master KChief on March 05, 2012, 11:02:07 AM

Tier S (0) decks are decks that win even with everyone teching against it. Basically, a Tier 0 beats all its own anti-cards meaning it is just that broken. I can see TGT being Tier 0 for awhile, but are Sams that broken?

Usually, yes. Sam is so fast that unless a bunch of people opt to stuff their deck full of anti-meta artifacts (which tends to be a waste of space), Sam is going to get set up before most turtles or anti-metas have enough stuff to stop it. I've been playing Sam for a couple months now, and I think I've only had two losses to turtle decks.

LordZardeck · « **Reply #21 on:** March 05, 2012, 10:55:32 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on March 04, 2012, 10:36:21 AM

Simeon+Anna can walk in for a lot of souls especially when paired with Hidden Treasures. But Armorbearer helps Sam, so…

How so? Other than you can't do anything to him, you could still beat him by numbers.

Red Wing · « **Reply #22 on:** March 05, 2012, 11:06:52 PM »

Quote from: LordZardeck on March 05, 2012, 10:55:32 PM

Quote from: Red Wing on March 04, 2012, 10:36:21 AM
Simeon+Anna can walk in for a lot of souls especially when paired with Hidden Treasures. But Armorbearer helps Sam, so…

How so? Other than you can't do anything to him, you could still beat him by numbers.

Protection from Plot, CM, Writ, and Charms will likely get you souls. But play Two Bears or Spiritual Warfare off HT, your opponent probably won't even be able to block. There's also Baptism of Jesus.

LordZardeck · « **Reply #23 on:** March 05, 2012, 11:08:30 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on March 05, 2012, 11:06:52 PM

Quote from: LordZardeck on March 05, 2012, 10:55:32 PM
Quote from: Red Wing on March 04, 2012, 10:36:21 AM
Simeon+Anna can walk in for a lot of souls especially when paired with Hidden Treasures. But Armorbearer helps Sam, so…

How so? Other than you can't do anything to him, you could still beat him by numbers.

Protection from Plot, CM, Writ, and Charms will likely get you souls. But play Two Bears or Spiritual Warfare off HT, your opponent probably won't even be able to block. There's also Baptism of Jesus.

0.o i'm inclined to believe that's pure awesomeness.

Red Wing · « **Reply #24 on:** March 05, 2012, 11:10:39 PM »

Quote from: LordZardeck on March 05, 2012, 11:08:30 PM

Quote from: Red Wing on March 05, 2012, 11:06:52 PM
Quote from: LordZardeck on March 05, 2012, 10:55:32 PM
Quote from: Red Wing on March 04, 2012, 10:36:21 AM
Simeon+Anna can walk in for a lot of souls especially when paired with Hidden Treasures. But Armorbearer helps Sam, so…

How so? Other than you can't do anything to him, you could still beat him by numbers.

Protection from Plot, CM, Writ, and Charms will likely get you souls. But play Two Bears or Spiritual Warfare off HT, your opponent probably won't even be able to block. There's also Baptism of Jesus.

0.o i'm inclined to believe that's pure awesomeness.

It is. I've experienced it firsthand. From the wrong side of the table unfortunately…

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