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WINNER: 5. Simon the Magician

This one should be no contest. Simon has a shot at the top 8.

He has some pretty formidable competition in his own brigade. If he was Pale Green with the same ability, then I'd say he'd for sure be elite.

He can use Magic Charms, and Samaritan Water Jar (if converted). That's awesome. Not to mention his CBN against disciples (providing Peter isn't out...) and TGT ladies. I think he'll have a tough time against Goliath though, as there's a lot of new card hype.

But CBN doesn't help much when all of the Disciples are protected from everything. Still, I agree that he's probably the single best TGT ladies counter in the game.

Seriously? Armorbearer can recur one of the best ECs in the game, as well as dig him out of the draw pile. Simon is very good, but with so many using disciples he is quite unreliable.

Seriously? Armorbearer can recur one of the best ECs in the game, as well as dig him out of the draw pile. Simon is very good, but with so many using disciples he is quite unreliable.

And Armorbearer IS reliable? lol

Philly Armor Bearer FTW 

Quote from: BubbleBoy on April 07, 2011, 06:24:19 PM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 07, 2011, 05:12:46 PM

And Armorbearer IS reliable? lol

How would he not be considered so?

Nazereth.

Nazareth doesn't protect the d/c pile.

Seriously? Armorbearer can recur one of the best ECs in the game, as well as dig him out of the draw pile. Simon is very good, but with so many using disciples he is quite unreliable.

Are you saying this because of Peter?  So in your opinion, having an EC in my deck whose enhancements cannot be negated against all of your Disciples is not a good thing because you might eventually get Peter out?  I guess this part just eludes me.  It would seem to me that until you get Peter out, and can keep him out, that Simon gives you serious concern.  The fact that everyone plays Disciples now (and NT females) is even GREATER reason to use Simon, in my opinion, and why I voted for him.

The interesting thing is, PAB sees play in every Philistine deck. Simon sees play in 90% of Philistine decks, assuming the player uses JiP or Wrath, and not just negates. Simon will also see play in some magician decks, and most Sadducee defenses. Being a black magician makes him kind of a jack of all trades.

So I wonder what your vote is if this ends in a tie.   

Once Simon is discarded then he is gone for good.  PAB comes back again and again to haunt the opponent.*  I "fear" an opponent's PAB more than I do Simon.


* Yes I know of the tired old argument, "but there is Nazareth."  Honestly, there is faultiness in that logic.**  So PAB will continue to be effective.

** 1) Many who use that logic are predominantly Type 2 players who are biased. 
     2) Type 1 rarely sees splashed in sites.  Typically a defense is built around sites if they do exist in Type 1 which means greater problems for a player than a simple PAB vs. Naz matchup.
    3) PAB often has a greater chance of coming out (and or Land Dispute) before a splashed in site for Type 1 or a dedicated site defense in Type 2 (where 5 PAB & 3 Outposts outnumber 3  Naz sites)

So I wonder what your vote is if this ends in a tie.   

I already voted...I guess I didn't know the proper protocol. I guess ties will have to be decided by coin flips...so that part might be more like college football than basketball...

Type 1 rarely sees splashed in sites.  Typically a defense is built around sites if they do exist in Type 1 which means greater problems for a player than a simple PAB vs. Naz matchup.

lol wut

Yep, still wut worthy. I would have said that pre-Di, but have you played at all since it came out?

Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 09, 2011, 12:43:57 AM

Yep, still wut worthy. I would have said that pre-Di, but have you played at all since it came out?

I still find it difficult to believe that it is "wut" worthy or that sites (1 to 3 depending if Nazzy needs the protection of CP and/or Golgotha to counter ignore) are now taking up valuable card slots through splashing in T1.

Every top caliber T1 deck* I have seen since Disciples has comes out includes Golgotha. Since it shuts down TGT without requiring you to play a large defense and its protect fort, it actually saves valuable card slots. CP is played in a major chunk of those decks as well (no need for a protect fort and it keeps Golgotha safe). Nazareth is HUGE in T2, but I am not so sure about T1 although it does get some play. Chorizin? Not so much. I believe Pol assessment is closer to being correct.

*By "every top caliber T1 deck" I mean--"more than 80% of T1 decks that have placed in tournaments around here."