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This is extremely hard for me but, I am going Susy. She is a card draw that can get around RBD and Iron Pan and she is also good for getting inish.

Without Susie, I think TGT drops from viable to irrelevant. She isn't the lynchpin that MMoJ is, but she's the grease in the cogs of TGT. Asahel is also the grease in the cogs of FBTNB, but I think that TGT edges out FBTNB, and I think Susie is more important a character in her respective theme than Asahel.

what battle winners does suzy actually have besides HiR?

Magnificat, which you can play with the initiative (and doesn't affect Susanna since she is CBN).  You can also use No Need for Spices.  All are recurrable with Consider the Lillies.

In my opinion, Asahel is more likely to make a rescue, but Susie is more likely to make a game-changing play.

if ur counting CtL...

I was being thorough on the enhancements you can use, since it is not as common to know them all anymore and you expressed interest.

Susanna has fallen from favor for me for years now, as the only theme she fits into is TGT and more times than not the correct play is to send an actual TGT girl into the red zone.

This.  If she could use TGT it would be one thing, but she can't so this is pretty simple for me.

She also gets better initiative and isn't, by default, vulnerable to CBN Scattered (like Asahel is if you use his band).

Asahel is not by default vulnerable to Scattered.  If you actually want to win with CTB, you are choosing and playing a CBN battle-winner with initiative.

Speaking of which, initiative is much better for Asahel when you choose who he fights, as opposed to Susanna with a variable toughness (which gets worse the better her ability becomes) and no choice over who she fights.

I also feel that the theme Susanna fits in is a better theme overall than any that Asahel fits into. No she can't use TGT

Then she doesn't fit into the theme.  Asahel fits into Red about as perfectly as possible: You can choose to band (which is what Red does) or choose the blocker and play CBN david-related stuff (also what Red does).  Not sure how he doesn't fit, that's just silly.  Susanna, on the other hand, cannot use the best card in her theme, or be part of the big-bad-band.  This point is clearly reversed.

Asahel would be better if he was in a better color. As much as I love red, white right now is better I am not voting for Suzy just because of her color mind you, I am voting for her because she has a very useful ability in addition to a good theme.

Fir your first paragraph: Again, I'm not debating how well she fits into her theme, but TGT is far and away better than Red. You, personally, may build a white-focused TGT offense without Susanna (and you're perfectly allowed to have that opinion, just as I am allowed to have mine) but I think most people would build their white-focused TGT offense with her. (I specify white-focused because TGT Disciples with mono-purple, or at least purple and not white, is also a popular build)

For your last 3 paragraphs: I really don't feel like getting into a debate about wording, lol. If you really want to pick apart my opinion (never claimed it was fact) at the word or clause level be my guest but I'm not going to debate semantics with you about a popularity contest.

Not sure where you two get the idea that I am attacking anyone    You are way off base if that is where you go with my statements.

I don't quite get why you having an opinion (which I also didn't say was a fact...in fact, I think I was trying to prove it was everything but ) means that I cannot counter specific points.  We are debating over who the best hero is, and I can give just as much of my opinions as you   If I disagree with you, I don't see how there is an issue with having a discussion on the actual difference between our viewpoints.

I dunno why everything has to become a debate with you.

*sigh* This type of thing gets a little old, frankly.

First, I'll say most of my post is pointed at AJ, who seems to be implying that I'm not in the proper spirit for being on a forum for a game for God.  AJ, if that's not what you meant, it is how it came across, and it is very far from the truth, as I said.

"Why are you arguing?" or "Why does everything become a debate?" is not a good way to have a conversation, because it is a loaded question with no 'proper' answer.  Let me try, though.  I respond because we are continuing a discussion, as in it takes two to tango.  I enjoy discussions on things like this, and it is the purpose of this 'contest', to debate the best hero.  If you and I are having a discussion, and you post something to counter my points, I will respond to you, and that should not be a problem.  I really don't understand why that becomes a problem around here.

There's no reason that you have to post in response, but if you do, don't expect me to just suddenly stop the conversation on that note for no apparent reason.  In the post where you said you didn't want to debate...you debated beforehand   So you can see my confusion, and why I respond to you.

Now, if you really don't want to keep debating these characters, that's fine, I don't take that personally just like I don't take any debate personally.  I'd just appreciate it if you, and AJ, would see my post for what it was: a continuing discussion without anything personal in it.  If you read more into it than that, then that is upsetting.

jbeers hit it on the head. I came here to throw my vote for Susie and explain why I chose her only to have my thoughts picked apart because of word choice and/or misunderstandings.

In the post where you said you didn't want to debate...you debated beforehand   So you can see my confusion, and why I respond to you.

And this kind of proves the point I said above. I never said I didn't want to debate, I only ever said I don't want to debate when you're sitting there picking apart what I said and pointing out words or clauses. Save the technical arguing for Ruling Questions.

EDIT: I guess I should realize by now that you argue technically, so that's prolly my fault. I do apologize for thinking you were being especially harsh, I realize now that I should have given the benefit of the doubt.

So...... Suzie.