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Which is the better EC?

Egyptian Magicians
25 (58.1%)
Damsel with Spirit of Divination
18 (41.9%)

Total Members Voted: 38

Voting closed: April 07, 2012, 01:36:19 PM

Author Topic: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination  (Read 7522 times)

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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2012, 01:42:03 PM »
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Damsel totally wins this. Egyptian Magicians is good, but Damsel's drawing ability is awesome.
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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2012, 01:44:46 PM »
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EM for life.

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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2012, 02:19:38 PM »
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Damsel is orange. I am Minnesotan. Egyptian Magicians is at least playable.

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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2012, 04:33:07 PM »
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I can't believe EM is winning this. Damsel is much, much better. Can EM Discard the top 8 cards of your opponent's deck, sending Lost Souls to play? Didn't think so.
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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2012, 04:35:29 PM »
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Yes, but EM can recur Invoking terror and CBI band to an Egyptian in addition to a d1. 

Still, it's really not as good as Damsel is it?
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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2012, 07:35:03 PM »
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Damsel is one of those humans who laughs at Three Nails when playing orange defense.  She gets my vote.

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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2012, 09:05:42 PM »
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EM is way better.

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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2012, 10:23:41 PM »
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SoT to EM is one of the best evil initiative plays in the game.  Throw a Gomer to the beginning and you have access to more CBN battlewinners than Manny.
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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2012, 10:10:52 AM »
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I'm genuinely shocked that EM is beating Damsel, let alone by this many votes. I think Damsel has a few things going for her that Egyptian Magicians simply doesn't. First, she's the second best drawing evil character in the game (Vittles is the best, with Sabbath Breaker in third), since pretty much everything but Genesis is bound to have at least two different brigades in hand at some point or another. Obviously, she (unlike Sabbath Breaker) can also easily be used multiple times. Additionally, her being able to look at an opponent's hand is absolutely huge because of the timing. Most people at that point are done drawing; aside from the handful of enhancements like Reach of Desperation that draw mid-battle and the handful of territory class enhancements that draw after battle (neither one of which is particularly popular right now), there aren't really any ways to draw after all the heroes are in battle. This means that you're getting a very, very good look at what you can expect with your next rescue attempt, an advantage that cannot be overstated. True, Egyptian Magicians can pull Invoking Terror from the bottom, but how useful is that really, when you consider all the banding and recursion that occurs? The Invoking Terror play doesn't even really work in a traditional Genyptians deck, since Genesis isn't fast enough to justify a 1:1 character/enhancement ratio, so you'd have to add more Magicians to justify it. This isn't the end of the world of course, but at that point, you're playing as much of a Magicians defense as you are Genyptians, and that's a lot to add for one strategy.

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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2012, 11:09:27 AM »
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Damsel didn't see this one coming. Halle Berry why you do dis to my bracket?

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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2012, 11:12:47 AM »
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Damsel didn't see this one coming. Halle Berry why you do dis to my bracket?

We've pulled within two votes, and it was a five vote difference when I started my speech, so there's still hope to pull ahead.

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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2012, 02:34:44 PM »
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She also works well as a hero for me since shes a N.T. female.  If you don't want to add one of those to your offense, its nice to have one available to convert.

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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2012, 10:22:00 PM »
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I can't believe EM is winning this. Damsel is much, much better. Can EM Discard the top 8 cards of your opponent's deck, sending Lost Souls to play? Didn't think so.

This combo is epic, for sure, but it still requires a minimum of 5 cards to be guaranteed to work, and you have to pull it off before your opponent decks or wins, and it can be countered with numerous anti-meta arts. 

She also works well as a hero for me since shes a N.T. female.  If you don't want to add one of those to your offense, its nice to have one available to convert.

And on that note, she can also be saved by Herod's Temple as an EC or a hero.
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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2012, 12:33:00 AM »
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This combo is epic, for sure, but it still requires a minimum of 5 cards to be guaranteed to work, and you have to pull it off before your opponent decks or wins, and it can be countered with numerous anti-meta arts. 

I'm not sure it's fair to say five cards, because only two of the five have to be specific: RBD and Damsel. In a Magicians deck, Damsel should already be in there, and at this point, I think every deck should use RBD; that leaves three cards that have specific purposes, but still have some options. I actually just built a Disciples deck that used the green Simon and Faithful Servant to use Provisions to get off the Damsel combo, which I was able to do in one of the two games I've played it with so far (I would have gotten it off the second game, but incidentally, I won before I could [it was my final ROOT game of the month with Pol]). Some creativity is all that's needed to make this sort of thing work.

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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2012, 02:43:49 PM »
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Egyptian Magicians is beating Damsel because too many people picked Damsel in the brackets and we're just screwing everybody over.

Well, that and the fact that Egyptian Magicians has access to tons of great battle winners, tons of banding possibilities, and gets initiative more often than not. Damsel won't get a block. She might survive the battle because of Arts/Dominants, but she won't be the one doing it.

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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2012, 02:53:09 PM »
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Egyptian Magicians is beating Damsel because too many people picked Damsel in the brackets and we're just screwing everybody over.

Well, that and the fact that Egyptian Magicians has access to tons of great battle winners, tons of banding possibilities, and gets initiative more often than not. Damsel won't get a block. She might survive the battle because of Arts/Dominants, but she won't be the one doing it.

Aren't you the one contemplating taking CM out of your deck because banding is so prevalent? You can't have your cake and eat it too (what kind of idiom is that?)

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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2012, 02:56:26 PM »
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A lame one.  But hey Damsel is only down by one at this point she can still do this. 
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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2012, 03:10:52 PM »
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Egyptian Magicians is beating Damsel because too many people picked Damsel in the brackets and we're just screwing everybody over.

Well, that and the fact that Egyptian Magicians has access to tons of great battle winners, tons of banding possibilities, and gets initiative more often than not. Damsel won't get a block. She might survive the battle because of Arts/Dominants, but she won't be the one doing it.

Aren't you the one contemplating taking CM out of your deck because banding is so prevalent? You can't have your cake and eat it too (what kind of idiom is that?)
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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2012, 03:18:49 PM »
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Ring Wraith doesn't even like cake. He said John McCrea sounded bored when singing.

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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2012, 03:24:53 PM »
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Ring Wraith doesn't even like cake. He said John McCrea sounded bored when singing.
And you think Bob Dylan is a good singer. Doesn't mean you're from Swaziland.

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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2012, 04:02:16 PM »
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And Damsel takes the lead!

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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2012, 04:59:35 PM »
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Re: Multi: 4. Egyptian Magicians vs. 5. Damsel with Spirit of Divination
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2012, 07:14:36 PM »
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Name the last time Damsel has blocked anything by her own power.

 


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