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Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 04, 2012, 07:14:36 PM

Name the last time Damsel has blocked anything by her own power.

Not everything is about getting a successful block. Damsel has the potential for huge drawing and the chance to see your opponent's hand so you know what to expect on your next rescue attempt. Combined with the possibility of getting blocks out of Writ or CM, I'd take that over a band and a chance to bring Invoking Terror up any day.

Laver is a boss.

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 04, 2012, 07:14:36 PM

Name the last time Damsel has blocked anything by her own power.

Not everything is about getting a successful block. Damsel has the potential for huge drawing and the chance to see your opponent's hand so you know what to expect on your next rescue attempt. Combined with the possibility of getting blocks out of Writ or CM, I'd take that over a band and a chance to bring Invoking Terror up any day.

Invoking Terror is the fifth best battle winner Egyptian Magicians can play.

True enough, but if you're using Laver, you're usually using a full-fledged defense, which means you've already lost. 

That was a joke, nobody hurt me.

Haters gonna hate.

Name the Last time that AUTO won a soul by himself. 

SoT to EM is one of the best evil initiative plays in the game.  Throw a Gomer to the beginning and you have access to more CBN battlewinners than Manny.

SoT to EM was a pretty cool combo I saw at the T2 only.  EM wins.

EM is nowhere on the level of Damsel. EM is for combo players, and as such is prone to dead draws. Damsel can block without Charms support and still get a better plus than EM or even Breaker. Coupled with a beefy body to kill weenie rescues and knowledge of knowing what you're attacking into next turn (which makes her more aggro than some might believe), Damsel is the clear winner here.

OK, why is changing your vote allowed again?

I always thought the time to be persuaded was BEFORE a vote.  If I wanted to be persuaded about a character's merits, I'd listen and then vote.  Observe that practically all of the most recent posts have been pro-Damsel and agreed with by several individuals.  And yet the most recent voting demonstrates that someone removed their Damsel vote and switched to EM instead.  How do you explain that?

I like the system as it is. Votes should be able to be changed as people become convinced of other viewpoints.

I like the system as it is. Votes should be able to be changed as people become convinced of other viewpoints.

How many Americans now wish presidential votes could work like this?

But seriously, what arguments are there for Egyptian magicians?  Yes you can get back invoking terror for a d1 or band, but how is that better than discarding 8 cards from opponents deck, or drawing a bunch from yours?

Again, Invoking Terror is (at best) the fifth best battle winner EM can play. Nobody cares about Invoking Terror. Nobody cares about his D1. It's his brigades and play ability that makes him so awesome. Combine him with SoT for a play first. Band to an Egyptian (or a Manasseh) with horses and play first Wonders Forgotten, Forgotten History, Death of Unrighteous (only if you're desperate though, he's nice to have), or Failed Objective (again, if you're desperate). There are also a lot of other nice battle winners like Invoking Terror and Evil Spirit. Stick a Gomer and SoT on him and you can play Haman's Plot, Gib's Trick, Worshipping Demons, and Suicidal Swine Stampede (if you're desperate). Plus, he gets protection from Pharoah's Throne Room, which stops a lot more than CP. He just has so many more options than Damsel.

Also, T2>T1, and EM is clearly the better choice in T2. 

Quote from: Master KChief on April 04, 2012, 09:20:05 PM

Damsel is so good and it's still taking years for people to realize it. Multi, look at hand, draw, and Charms make her a beast.

The only thing in that list that EM doesn't also do is look at hand, and he has the potential to band (as well as play an enhancement) instead. Not to mention evil gold has better battle winners than orange.

Damsel can draw more and can be used in combo with RBD and CTB, which is really fun.

EM has been perfectly consistent in my T1 deck. I've won games due to his IT recur/play block stalling my opponent long enough for me to get to 5. I can't say I've ever even wanted to block with Damsel by herself, the only times I've used her was banding with Manny to get some extra cards. I don't see how setting up a CtB/RBD/discard bunches of cards from the opponent's deck scheme is any LESS of a "large combo play" than EM with his plethora of battle winners, and EM can start working as soon as you draw just him (whereas Damsel needs all the other cards to be prepped beforehand).