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How is Abimelech not winning this?

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on April 02, 2012, 09:08:02 PM

How is Abimelech not winning this?

Because Astrologers is used in more decks by more people, and they have more experience with them.  They can also recur Invoking Terror (among other nastiness) to force a territory discard.

Abimelech, on the whole, is a better character, but not everyone uses his themes.  He also makes an amazing hero

Ahimelech is on the whole the better character and he doesn't have a theme. He can use plot, either Gib Trick, and can discard ECs if you block with him and then use something like UW or CM or MC. He should be killing Astrologers.

Well, he actually is a better EC, too.  As pointed out, he can use a lot of great enhancements, works with a couple of themes, and can also get rid of pesky artifacts.

I've used him to blow up a site, Gib Trick (he gets initiative a lot), and then blow up KotW.  No more site lock, no more EC, opens up the way for my offense.  Even if you don't throw Gideon in to activate his first ability, he gets initiative, has a lot of enhancement support, and can discard evil cards for you.

Problem is more people throw in Astrologers in their decks, and they find Invoking Terror too much fun not to vote for them.  Not that I can fault them.

I frequently discard Gideon from hand so I can use Abim to knock out their Chariots, etc.

 The flexibility of discarding their Broken Cisterns, Gates, Tower of Thebez, Curse, Character, etc. is great.  Its like half an A-bomb that is easier to get out. 

Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 03, 2012, 01:00:34 AM

The only problem with Abim is getting Gideon dead.

That's not even the good part of his ability.

I actually like blowing up the artifact or site more, but yes, being able to discard any evil card just because you played Gib Trick (either one) or a bunch of other cards makes him a whole lot of awesome.

Discard Gideon from hand. Prof Oak searches the discard pile so you can get him if you need him.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 03, 2012, 01:00:34 AM

The only problem with Abim is getting Gideon dead.

That's not even the good part of his ability.

The problem is that only really works if your opponent is playing a defense. If they're playing a standalone or any small defense and not laying down characters, the best you're going to do is manage to discard something like RBD or a card placed in your territory. Astrologers' recursion of Invoking Terror meanwhile, is brutal, especially in T2, when you can get it off multiple times.