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Defenses built around a single EC are terrible. This leads to dead draws more times than not. Manny's only silver lining is his auto-block and capability to carry Charms. Therefore he still fits better in the splash defense.

I disagree with that to an extent.  A defense that uses Manny is already a decent defense without him.  Since it's probably either Kings of Judah or Magicians, adding Manny to them makes those defenses go from good to awesome. 

Similar to what TGT does for a TGT deck.  Or what AUTO does for a Sam deck.

Those examples are way too extreme, especially since Manny is actually one of the weaker magicians without Gates behind him (at which point, you're playing a Judean/Magicians defense, not a Magicians defense). I would say that Manny is to Kings of Judah what Salome is to TGT, or maybe even Mary, Mother of James is to TGT. Useful, but not the lynchpin.

Quote from: Wings of Music on April 04, 2012, 11:31:39 AM

I disagree with that to an extent.  A defense that uses Manny is already a decent defense without him.  Since it's probably either Kings of Judah or Magicians, adding Manny to them makes those defenses go from good to awesome. 

Similar to what TGT does for a TGT deck.  Or what AUTO does for a Sam deck.

Those examples are way too extreme, especially since Manny is actually one of the weaker magicians without Gates behind him (at which point, you're playing a Judean/Magicians defense, not a Magicians defense). I would say that Manny is to Kings of Judah what Salome is to TGT, or maybe even Mary, Mother of James is to TGT. Useful, but not the lynchpin.

Judean defenses don't exist. A brown defense would have Gomer, Uzzah, King Mannaseh, and Jeering Youths (extra play first). Then you have the magician part (likely Damsel, Egyptian Magicians, Assyrian Survivor, and Assyrian Siege Army), which will probably include SWS, Wandering Spirit, Spirit of Temptation, and KoT.

Yeah, it's a big defense, but look at those characters. Awesome. Plus you get 3 end the battles (for best effect, use Manny) and 2 soul shufflers.

However, I agree that Manny is more like an MMOJ than a TGT.

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Quote from: Chronic Apathy on April 04, 2012, 01:59:25 PM

Quote from: Wings of Music on April 04, 2012, 11:31:39 AM

I disagree with that to an extent.  A defense that uses Manny is already a decent defense without him.  Since it's probably either Kings of Judah or Magicians, adding Manny to them makes those defenses go from good to awesome. 

Similar to what TGT does for a TGT deck.  Or what AUTO does for a Sam deck.

Those examples are way too extreme, especially since Manny is actually one of the weaker magicians without Gates behind him (at which point, you're playing a Judean/Magicians defense, not a Magicians defense). I would say that Manny is to Kings of Judah what Salome is to TGT, or maybe even Mary, Mother of James is to TGT. Useful, but not the lynchpin.

Judean defenses don't exist. A brown defense would have Gomer, Uzzah, King Mannaseh, and Jeering Youths (extra play first). Then you have the magician part (likely Damsel, Egyptian Magicians, Assyrian Survivor, and Assyrian Siege Army), which will probably include SWS, Wandering Spirit, Spirit of Temptation, and KoT.

No Rehoboam? For shame! Also, I'm not sure I'd include ASA with only Survivor to complement it; I'd be more likely to include another magicians (probably Astrologers).

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on April 04, 2012, 02:27:01 PM

No Rehoboam? For shame! Also, I'm not sure I'd include ASA with only Survivor to complement it; I'd be more likely to include another magicians (probably Astrologers).

Depends on the offense. I'm not a huge fan of Rehoboam just because he tends to give initiative away.

I go back and forth on ASA, but my most recent version had him (though it was entirely untested). I do like Astrologers though.

I just think that, if you're already using Gates of Jerusalem, you may as well add Rehoboam, since he has a great ability (that becomes CBN), and allows you to either kill your opponent's hero or otherwise use your own hero's ability. I wouldn't just splash him into a brown deck, but if you're using GoJ, why not?