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Purple
2.   King David
11/11 Purple (Prophet, King of Israel, Musician)
May not be blocked by any member of any royal family.

Versus

Red
3.   Asahel
5/4 Red (W/C)
May band to an O.T. warrior class human Hero or may choose opponent's male human Evil Character to block.  Protect Asahel from withdraw and return abilities.

I think KD is overrated, but Asahel is still very outmatched here.

They both suck and should Simeon. I don't even care if Moses is in the other bracket. Every hero should be Simeon.

David

Asahel, he fits nicely into many Judges or Warriors decks, and even though King David is a king, musician, and ignores a plethora of evil characters, Asahel choses the blocker or bands, and is a Giantslayer, which can be a very good combination in many different decks.

Asahel is not a Giant slayer (not that its really that important).  In fact if we're going to give points to anyone for being a giant slayer, it is actually David.

David (all 5 versions), Jonathan (6/6 no SA), Abishai (both versions), Sibbechai (both versions) and Elhanan (both versions).

I believe that's all of them.

*edit* checked our test notes and found that Caleb is not included.

Quote from: Play Test Notes

Joshua 15:14 says that Caleb "drove out" the descendants of Anak.  It does not say that he killed them.

As a T1 and T2 player, King David is just plain better. I love Asahel as much as the next Hobbit, but he simply isn't as good as KD.

King David is in a better brigade, splashes better, fits better in decks where he isn't just a splash, and has a comparable ability (in my opinion).

Pretty much this.

I think KD is overrated

Pretty much this.

How does KD fit better in decks where he isn't splash?

Well the term 'better' was used, so I'm assuming that the statement meant KD fits into its theme better than Asahel does in his. In regards to T1 at least, I don't think that statement is very true.

The main issue I have with KD is his ignore can be played around. KD doesn't set up the auto-rescues that Tomb does because the ignore is just too narrow in focus. This then leads to his worth as an initiative character. The strength of a brigade doesn't equate to anything if the character is unable to employ any of it effectively. Without Throne, he's just too big to execute any of those strong cards in a meta that is dictated by making strong cbn plays with initiative characters or straight up denial. Even Purples best play (and arguably what defines Purple as a 'stronger' brigade) is unable to be utilized off of Throne at all. As splash, I find his effectiveness drops even further.

@mitchrobstew last I knew Demons with the title prince or king do not qualify them as royalty.

I think by "Gates" he is referring to "of Jerusalem" and "of Samaria," not to "of Hell".  He didn't mention Brown or those defenses at all, which leads me to believe that.  Also, KoT, PotW, and others don't get used quite as much, so it wouldn't stop those defenses.