Author Topic: Final 4 Purple/Red (2. King David Versus 3. Asahel) (Read 3410 times)

jbeers285 · « **on:** April 06, 2014, 10:48:48 PM »

Purple
2. King David
11/11 Purple (Prophet, King of Israel, Musician)
May not be blocked by any member of any royal family.

Versus

Red
3. Asahel
5/4 Red (W/C)
May band to an O.T. warrior class human Hero or may choose opponent's male human Evil Character to block. Protect Asahel from withdraw and return abilities.

Redoubter · « **Reply #1 on:** April 06, 2014, 10:52:59 PM »

Did not expect to see this match-up for a semi-final...

King David is great with PBI and works with different themes.

Asahel has a band or CTB as options, both of which are great.

I haven't made up my mind yet. Convince me!

Drrek · « **Reply #2 on:** April 06, 2014, 11:34:49 PM »

I think KD is overrated, but Asahel is still very outmatched here.

Chris · « **Reply #3 on:** April 06, 2014, 11:37:29 PM »

King David is in a better brigade, splashes better, fits better in decks where he isn't just a splash, and has a comparable ability (in my opinion).

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #4 on:** April 06, 2014, 11:41:06 PM »

They both suck and should Simeon. I don't even care if Moses is in the other bracket. Every hero should be Simeon.

AJ · « **Reply #5 on:** April 07, 2014, 07:35:50 AM »

King David

Praeceps · « **Reply #6 on:** April 07, 2014, 12:45:07 PM »

David

yirgogo · « **Reply #7 on:** April 07, 2014, 05:03:40 PM »

Asahel, he fits nicely into many Judges or Warriors decks, and even though King David is a king, musician, and ignores a plethora of evil characters, Asahel choses the blocker or bands, and is a Giantslayer, which can be a very good combination in many different decks.

Edit: Sorry, my mistake, I was misinformed, and yeah, you are right

I still vote Asahel since he fits into Sam decks, and just for me works better thanks!

Drrek · « **Reply #8 on:** April 07, 2014, 05:13:33 PM »

Quote from: yirgogo on April 07, 2014, 05:03:40 PM

Asahel, he fits nicely into many Judges or Warriors decks, and even though King David is a king, musician, and ignores a plethora of evil characters, Asahel choses the blocker or bands, and is a Giantslayer, which can be a very good combination in many different decks.

Asahel is not a Giant slayer (not that its really that important). In fact if we're going to give points to anyone for being a giant slayer, it is actually David.

Quote from: Gabe on June 04, 2011, 02:10:33 PM

David (all 5 versions), Jonathan (6/6 no SA), Abishai (both versions), Sibbechai (both versions) and Elhanan (both versions).

I believe that's all of them.

*edit* checked our test notes and found that Caleb is not included.

Quote from: Play Test Notes
Joshua 15:14 says that Caleb "drove out" the descendants of Anak. It does not say that he killed them.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 07, 2014, 11:46:32 PM »

I love KD and he will probably win but I went with the versatility of ctb or band

To me asahel is the main Cog in fbtnb and the potential for CBN battle winners off of the ctb is so powerful for asahel.

I think this sentiment hold truer in t2 then t1 for sure

AJ · « **Reply #10 on:** April 12, 2014, 05:46:05 PM »

As a T1 and T2 player, King David is just plain better. I love Asahel as much as the next Hobbit, but he simply isn't as good as KD.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 12, 2014, 07:01:39 PM »

Quote from: AJ on April 12, 2014, 05:46:05 PM

As a T1 and T2 player, King David is just plain better. I love Asahel as much as the next Hobbit, but he simply isn't as good as KD.

You basically only reiterated your first post.

Quote from: AJ on April 07, 2014, 07:35:50 AM

King David

Maybe you could tell us why you think he is better and has more to offer then what Asahel does?

AJ · « **Reply #12 on:** April 12, 2014, 08:31:54 PM »

Quote from: Chris on April 06, 2014, 11:37:29 PM

King David is in a better brigade, splashes better, fits better in decks where he isn't just a splash, and has a comparable ability (in my opinion).

Pretty much this.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 12, 2014, 08:37:13 PM »

Quote from: AJ on April 12, 2014, 08:31:54 PM

Quote from: Chris on April 06, 2014, 11:37:29 PM
King David is in a better brigade, splashes better, fits better in decks where he isn't just a splash, and has a comparable ability (in my opinion).

Pretty much this.

Thank you for your contribution to this thread. You have expanded on the conversation greatly.

Master KChief · « **Reply #14 on:** April 12, 2014, 09:58:52 PM »

Quote from: Drrek on April 06, 2014, 11:34:49 PM

I think KD is overrated

Pretty much this.

How does KD fit better in decks where he isn't splash?

Minion of Jesus · « **Reply #15 on:** April 12, 2014, 10:32:47 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on April 12, 2014, 09:58:52 PM

Quote from: Drrek on April 06, 2014, 11:34:49 PM
I think KD is overrated

Pretty much this.

How does KD fit better in decks where he isn't splash?

MUSICIANS! And if you play purple kings, that too.

Master KChief · « **Reply #16 on:** April 12, 2014, 10:46:18 PM »

Well the term 'better' was used, so I'm assuming that the statement meant KD fits into its theme better than Asahel does in his. In regards to T1 at least, I don't think that statement is very true.

MitchRobStew · « **Reply #17 on:** April 12, 2014, 10:52:53 PM »

King David ignore a large amount of highly played evil characters in Gates, Gray, Herod, and Canaanite defenses. This allows him to win souls w/o support in some situations. He also allows you to to draw without fear of being blocked by a foreign wive in most situations (many times I've also benefited from her due to drawing 7 off throne). He's in a stronger brigade. He fits also fits into multiple themes/decks (Sam, Royalty, ot splash).

I do love Asahel's ctb setting up BoD, and his ability to band to the wc fbtn guys. Both are able to get around fw but David is more effective at it.

Master KChief · « **Reply #18 on:** April 12, 2014, 11:41:14 PM »

The main issue I have with KD is his ignore can be played around. KD doesn't set up the auto-rescues that Tomb does because the ignore is just too narrow in focus. This then leads to his worth as an initiative character. The strength of a brigade doesn't equate to anything if the character is unable to employ any of it effectively. Without Throne, he's just too big to execute any of those strong cards in a meta that is dictated by making strong cbn plays with initiative characters or straight up denial. Even Purples best play (and arguably what defines Purple as a 'stronger' brigade) is unable to be utilized off of Throne at all. As splash, I find his effectiveness drops even further.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 13, 2014, 07:47:41 AM »

@mitchrobstew last I knew Demons with the title prince or king do not qualify them as royalty.

Redoubter · « **Reply #20 on:** April 13, 2014, 08:40:39 AM »

Quote from: jbeers285 on April 13, 2014, 07:47:41 AM

@mitchrobstew last I knew Demons with the title prince or king do not qualify them as royalty.

I think by "Gates" he is referring to "of Jerusalem" and "of Samaria," not to "of Hell". He didn't mention Brown or those defenses at all, which leads me to believe that. Also, KoT, PotW, and others don't get used quite as much, so it wouldn't stop those defenses.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 13, 2014, 09:24:28 AM »

Quote from: Redoubter on April 13, 2014, 08:40:39 AM

Quote from: jbeers285 on April 13, 2014, 07:47:41 AM
@mitchrobstew last I knew Demons with the title prince or king do not qualify them as royalty.

I think by "Gates" he is referring to "of Jerusalem" and "of Samaria," not to "of Hell". He didn't mention Brown or those defenses at all, which leads me to believe that. Also, KoT, PotW, and others don't get used quite as much, so it wouldn't stop those defenses.

Ahh this makes sense

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Author Topic: Final 4 Purple/Red (2. King David Versus 3. Asahel) (Read 3410 times)

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