Author Topic: Elite Eight: 1. Uzzah vs. 2. The Amalekite's Slave (Read 6584 times)

Master KChief · « **Reply #25 on:** April 17, 2012, 09:40:30 PM »

Using Uzzahs ability rather than plot is the better play, assuming you're given the option of using both.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #26 on:** April 17, 2012, 09:43:37 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on April 17, 2012, 09:40:30 PM

Using Uzzahs ability rather than plot is the better play, assuming you're given the option of using both.

Depends on the circumstances. In a casual game or online, where Plot ripping isn't an issue, I'll often band Gomer to Uzzah to get off a Plot. Also, if it's towards the end game and Angel of the Lord and Grapes have been used, I'll go in with Uzzah to Plot. It's risky, but it can work.

Master KChief · « **Reply #27 on:** April 17, 2012, 09:49:02 PM »

Gomer to Uzzah minuses you tremendously if they use Grapes, and allows for sniping. Uzzah to Plot can still be a bad play at end game. If its end game, you don't need many more turns in the first place, you need consistency (if AotL/Grapes haven't been dropped). If they have been dropped, then yes, its an obvious play.

Drrek · « **Reply #28 on:** April 17, 2012, 11:30:45 PM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on April 17, 2012, 08:15:59 PM

Quote from: Master KChief on April 17, 2012, 07:48:19 PM
Quote from: lp670sv on April 17, 2012, 03:54:53 PM
Uzzah blocks your opponent once with HP and once on his own, that gives you two more turns in the race to 5, thus two more rescue attempts.

No one is going to let Uzzah sit in territory for another turn if you decide to use him for plot.

People don't always have the option to stop him. If Angel was played earlier, or if they haven't drawn it, most offenses right now don't have a way to snipe him in territory (most OT offenses I've seen [minus Genesis] don't use Holy Grail). I've used Plot with Uzzah followed by using his actual ability many times.

Why would someone not use grail? I see no reason not to include it in just about every deck ever.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #29 on:** April 17, 2012, 11:34:04 PM »

Quote from: Drrek on April 17, 2012, 11:30:45 PM

Why would someone not use grail? I see no reason not to include it in just about every deck ever.

Right now I'm only using it in my Genesis and Gardensciples decks, though I do need to add it to my straight Disciples deck as well. In general, there are simply better options, especially since the only other deck I use that's any good is Sam, and I can either negate or use Foreign Sword on any evil characters put in territory, so it's a wasted slot. I can see the argument for it, but I don't see too many people putting down evil characters in their territory, and some of the most popular defenses that aren't the meta (GoS, Assyrians, Manny/Demons/Whatever, etc) have a lot of protection against conversion in territory. I rarely find it's worth the slot on the off chance they'll put down a Gomer or Uzzah.

Master KChief · « **Reply #30 on:** April 18, 2012, 01:25:46 AM »

Quote from: Drrek on April 17, 2012, 11:30:45 PM

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on April 17, 2012, 08:15:59 PM
Quote from: Master KChief on April 17, 2012, 07:48:19 PM
Quote from: lp670sv on April 17, 2012, 03:54:53 PM
Uzzah blocks your opponent once with HP and once on his own, that gives you two more turns in the race to 5, thus two more rescue attempts.

No one is going to let Uzzah sit in territory for another turn if you decide to use him for plot.

People don't always have the option to stop him. If Angel was played earlier, or if they haven't drawn it, most offenses right now don't have a way to snipe him in territory (most OT offenses I've seen [minus Genesis] don't use Holy Grail). I've used Plot with Uzzah followed by using his actual ability many times.

Why would someone not use grail? I see no reason not to include it in just about every deck ever.

I also find the card staple in todays meta. First of all, its a + 1. Then theres the fact its Uzzah food. And some decks need the card more than anything, such as FBTNB and Sams. Anti-banding poops all over both decks, so including as many solid and versatile counters to prevent that is huge.

Arrthoa · « **Reply #31 on:** April 18, 2012, 09:54:50 AM »

Uzzah is just a over rated card like Manny. People think he's so great but many heroes can stop his ability, especially in a Sam deck.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #32 on:** April 18, 2012, 11:28:52 AM »

Quote from: Arrthoa on April 18, 2012, 09:54:50 AM

Uzzah is just a over rated card like Manny. People think he's so great but many heroes can stop his ability, especially in a Sam deck.

So? Nearly every hero who can stop Uzzah can stop TAS.

Arrthoa · « **Reply #33 on:** April 18, 2012, 01:23:28 PM »

I know that. The point is you have to toss uzzah and a Artifact for his ability when with TAS you toss him to your Opponent's LOB and get to pull out a character you need. TAS has a better reward than Uzzah.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #34 on:** April 18, 2012, 01:35:07 PM »

Quote from: Arrthoa on April 18, 2012, 01:23:28 PM

I know that. The point is you have to toss uzzah and a Artifact for his ability when with TAS you toss him to your Opponent's LOB and get to pull out a character you need. TAS has a better reward than Uzzah.

TAS is limited in a lot of ways Uzzah just isn't. For instance, at any point during the end game, when you've either decked out or close to decking out, TAS becomes useless unless you just need one more soul in your opponent's LoB to play SoG/NJ. Uzzah doesn't have that restriction. He also gets crazy good initiative to play the best evil enhancement in the game.

Scoobug · « **Reply #35 on:** April 18, 2012, 02:56:38 PM »

What's with all the hoopla for Uzzah, I know he's good for one free block but you lose him and and artifact? I mean I don't think he is all that great.

Red Wing · « **Reply #36 on:** April 18, 2012, 03:05:19 PM »

Quote from: Scoobug on April 18, 2012, 02:56:38 PM

What's with all the hoopla for Uzzah, I know he's good for one free block but you lose him and and artifact? I mean I don't think he is all that great.

He's the easiest block in the game.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #37 on:** April 18, 2012, 03:17:55 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on April 18, 2012, 03:05:19 PM

Quote from: Scoobug on April 18, 2012, 02:56:38 PM
What's with all the hoopla for Uzzah, I know he's good for one free block but you lose him and and artifact? I mean I don't think he is all that great.
He's the easiest block in the game.

This is why I like Uzzah, there is not one block in the game that can be gotten easier than Uzzah.

Scoobug · « **Reply #38 on:** April 18, 2012, 03:23:57 PM »

Quote from: Wings of Music on April 18, 2012, 03:17:55 PM

Quote from: Red Wing on April 18, 2012, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: Scoobug on April 18, 2012, 02:56:38 PM
What's with all the hoopla for Uzzah, I know he's good for one free block but you lose him and and artifact? I mean I don't think he is all that great.
He's the easiest block in the game.

This is why I like Uzzah, there is not one block in the game that can be gotten easier than Uzzah.

Yah, but it can still be negated.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #39 on:** April 18, 2012, 03:33:03 PM »

Quote from: Scoobug on April 18, 2012, 03:23:57 PM

Quote from: Wings of Music on April 18, 2012, 03:17:55 PM
Quote from: Red Wing on April 18, 2012, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: Scoobug on April 18, 2012, 02:56:38 PM
What's with all the hoopla for Uzzah, I know he's good for one free block but you lose him and and artifact? I mean I don't think he is all that great.
He's the easiest block in the game.

This is why I like Uzzah, there is not one block in the game that can be gotten easier than Uzzah.

Yah, but it can still be negated.

TAS is stopped easier, not just by FBTN heroes like Uzzah. Nazzy of course stops him, TGT ignores him quite often, and the popularity of blue tassels in offenses this year makes it really hard to use TAS effectively. Or at least that has been my experience.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #40 on:** April 18, 2012, 04:48:57 PM »

Both got here by beating characters that were better than them (in TAS's case, WAY better). This is the "everyone voted on meta-defense" round of the tournament.

Master KChief · « **Reply #41 on:** April 18, 2012, 08:08:16 PM »

Because the meta-defense is better than everything else? Oh yeah, that's right. If we wanted to vote for something sub-par, then Timothy would win this whole thing.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #42 on:** April 18, 2012, 08:31:38 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 18, 2012, 04:48:57 PM

Both got here by beating characters that were better than them (in TAS's case, WAY better). This is the "everyone voted on meta-defense" round of the tournament.

When are you going to let go of this whole "Manasseh is great" thing? He has a lot of potential and options, but neither one of those is that good unless they're fulfilled, and for the card commitment Manasseh would need to be effective, there's better defenses out there.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #43 on:** April 18, 2012, 10:54:39 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 18, 2012, 04:48:57 PM

This is the "everyone voted on meta-defense" round of the tournament.

Except for the fact that both KoTs are losing.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #44 on:** April 19, 2012, 12:01:54 AM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on April 18, 2012, 10:54:39 PM

Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 18, 2012, 04:48:57 PM
This is the "everyone voted on meta-defense" round of the tournament.
Except for the fact that both KoTs are losing.

A very interesting point, so the meta wins against Manny, (who won last year, and while not quite as good as last year is still quite potent particularly with the rule change) but Goliath (who got hurt more than any other major EC this year) is beating KoT, who is one of the most integral parts of the meta defense.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #45 on:** April 19, 2012, 12:14:10 AM »

Quote from: Wings of Music on April 19, 2012, 12:01:54 AM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on April 18, 2012, 10:54:39 PM
Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 18, 2012, 04:48:57 PM
This is the "everyone voted on meta-defense" round of the tournament.
Except for the fact that both KoTs are losing.

A very interesting point, so the meta wins against Manny, (who won last year, and while not quite as good as last year is still quite potent particularly with the rule change) but Goliath (who got hurt more than any other major EC this year) is beating KoT, who is one of the most integral parts of the meta defense.

Funny thing is, I've only seen 1 deck use Goliath this year, and that was T2. King Manny is played everywhere.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #46 on:** April 19, 2012, 12:16:54 AM »

Absolute ~~Madness~~ oh wait it's April Foolishness no?

Drrek · « **Reply #47 on:** April 19, 2012, 12:20:49 AM »

Quote from: Wings of Music on April 19, 2012, 12:01:54 AM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on April 18, 2012, 10:54:39 PM
Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 18, 2012, 04:48:57 PM
This is the "everyone voted on meta-defense" round of the tournament.
Except for the fact that both KoTs are losing.

A very interesting point, so the meta wins against Manny, (who won last year, and while not quite as good as last year is still quite potent particularly with the rule change) but Goliath (who got hurt more than any other major EC this year) is beating KoT, who is one of the most integral parts of the meta defense.

Am Slave is about a thousand times better than Manny, so I don't think its at all odd that Am Slave beat Manny. Am Slave and KoT might both be part of the meta, but Am Slave is so much better that he should win matches against ECs that KoT loses to.

Wings of Music · « **Reply #48 on:** April 19, 2012, 12:32:33 AM »

Yes but Goliath lost to Manny last time and Goliath has lost a lot of ground since then. Now If you think that Manny is Better than KoT, you can justify the vote for Goliath, but if you think KoT is better than Manny then it makes no since to vote for Goliath, since KoT beats a character who is better than Goliath.

And I still contend Ammy slave is inferior to Manny, I haven't been able to use him at all the the last several games I've played with him due to John/TGT/Decking out too fast/having lost souls to rescue already.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #49 on:** April 19, 2012, 12:57:46 AM »

Goliath lost to Manasseh last year because at the time, Goliath hadn't yet seen any official play, and a few people who might have otherwise voted for him didn't want to see a completely untested (by normal players) character win the whole thing.

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