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Who is the better EC?

King of Tyrus (Gold)
20 (43.5%)
Goliath
26 (56.5%)

Total Members Voted: 40

Voting closed: April 20, 2012, 03:06:15 PM

Author Topic: Elite Eight: 1. King of Tyrus vs. 1. Goliath  (Read 6582 times)

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Re: Elite Eight: 1. King of Tyrus vs. 1. Goliath
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2012, 11:34:54 PM »
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You're forgetting that they still need to have Outpost out to be effective at all. If it's buried and you haven't added a few cards that can pull an evil fort, they're even less useful than normal.

Everything is easily tutored/recurred between 2 cards. The unlikely chance Outpost is buried also does not mean it is a great card late game, because it is.

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It also matters in isolated non-RLK incidents, and it's a big enough deal to worth noting in my opinion.

I'm sorry, I just wanted to make sure I saw 'isolated' and 'big enough deal' in the same sentence. That's pretty much an oxymoron. :P

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I'm not saying it doesn't, I'm just saying that the difference isn't too huge a deal.

Any tech more viable than most the counters in the meta against TGT is a huge point in my book.

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Genesis is not the power player people thought it was, but it's still going to make a presence in the meta, especially if non-meta defenses end up making any kind of an impact during the season, since Genesis does best against them, at least in my opinion.

Not disputing its presence, only that it doesn't have as much power/speed/consistency as Sam/TGT/Disciples.

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I hardly think one possible card being played against another card is "GG". I played Genesis for roughly 50-60 games, give or take, and only got JiP'd after a Creation of the World once (and I still won that game).

JiP after Creation most times than not equals GG.

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Talking about pre-withdraw. CBN banding will do zilch against Goliath. Your only hope is to lead with a weak lineup hoping for the Goliath drop, but bluffing with weak Heroes aren't exactly hard to get over with other splash EC's.

Not weak per-se, but a less than optimal lineup/bluff.

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The only reason Phillies got a lot of use at last year's Nats was because of Goliath and because of the anti-purple tech. With Goliath not being as strong as he was against new heroes (red or otherwise), and Purple no longer dominating the meta, Phillies lost their luster.

Curious to know what the 'otherwise' is, as Red is Phillies hardest matchup.

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A KoT in territory has the exact same effect a Goliath has in territory. There are zero other mind-games Phillies can play, considering they all do pretty much the same thing.

Not even remotely true. Anyone sees a KoT in territory, they make a rescue based on the fact they can easily get over that KoT. Nothing more, zero mind games. The knowledge of a matchup against Phillies, however, makes you second guess rescue attempts and decide over what to lead with over fear of a Goliath being dropped. Huge difference.
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Re: Elite Eight: 1. King of Tyrus vs. 1. Goliath
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2012, 11:39:48 PM »
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A KoT in territory has the exact same effect a Goliath has in territory. There are zero other mind-games Phillies can play, considering they all do pretty much the same thing.

Not even remotely true. Anyone sees a KoT in territory, they make a rescue based on the fact they can easily get over that KoT. Nothing more, zero mind games. The knowledge of a matchup against Phillies, however, makes you second guess rescue attempts and decide over what to lead with over fear of a Goliath being dropped. Huge difference.
And then you gave your opponent initiative to nuke your territory and protect souls from rescue. GG.

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Re: Elite Eight: 1. King of Tyrus vs. 1. Goliath
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2012, 12:07:34 AM »
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Pro-Tip.

Don't block Goliath against a non-Lydia character when playing Water Garden.
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Re: Elite Eight: 1. King of Tyrus vs. 1. Goliath
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2012, 12:13:18 AM »
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Pro-Tip.

Don't block Goliath against a non-Lydia character when playing Water Garden.
Especially when you have a Charms up.

Now everybody understands my vendetta against Goliath. Had I had a KoT band in that situation, I would have been golden.

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Re: Elite Eight: 1. King of Tyrus vs. 1. Goliath
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2012, 12:19:55 AM »
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Yeah - Gomer would have helped. It was a pretty nasty set-up, I'll give it that.

KoT+Goliath+Dude holding charms=pretty nasty...
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