Author Topic: What defenses cycle well in type 1? (Read 5326 times)

Isildur · « **on:** July 09, 2013, 03:07:12 AM »

So what defenses cycle well in type 1? What I mean by cycling (its a old Lotr TCG term) is what defenses are really efficient, wont clog up my hand ect.? I know a couple of years ago Pharisees were the it thing. So yeah... I need a defense no bigger then twenty cards this is including arts and forts needed to run the defense. The more creative the better!

CJSports · « **Reply #1 on:** July 09, 2013, 09:28:06 AM »

I still like Gates of Samaria a lot. The only problem I find is that I sometimes I store up samaria sites in my hand so that I can use them for GoS. This can cause a problem but worst comes to the worst you drop them without GoS's effect activating.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #2 on:** July 09, 2013, 10:35:22 AM »

Yeah, Gates of Samaria is basically the opposite of what Isildur described, because hand clog happens frequently due to the need to have both a King of Israel and Gates of Samaria before you can effectively play your Samaria Sites.

I'd say the best balanced-deck defense would be either Pharisees (with a possible Roman splash if you're feeling adventurous) or Babylonians. Babylonians have pretty much everything a good defense needs, except good CBN stuff. But Banquet and Sarah's Jealousy are effectively CBI if used right, and a Nergal with Horses sitting in a territory can often scare people into not attacking until they can deal with one or both.

Asahel24601 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 09, 2013, 11:23:03 AM »

Philistines. Currently, I have it with five to eight characters, two forts, (the second isn't required, i just had an open slot) and eight to ten enhancements. Only problem is removal of your discard pile.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #4 on:** July 09, 2013, 11:25:06 AM »

Quote from: Asahel24601 on July 09, 2013, 11:23:03 AM

I have it with five to eight characters...eight to ten enhancements.

FWIW, I would never recommend this ratio (unless it is 8:8). That is just asking for hand clog. But if it works for you, I could be wrong.

CJSports · « **Reply #5 on:** July 09, 2013, 11:32:34 AM »

Well with Phillistines you should always have an EC so it's not too big of a deal. I would agree though that Philly's and Babs cycle well.

Isildur · « **Reply #6 on:** July 09, 2013, 01:38:51 PM »

What do people run for babs these days? Last time I ran them was back when foof first came out.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 09, 2013, 01:47:06 PM »

Demons cycle well with Gates of Hell and The Bronze Laver.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #8 on:** July 09, 2013, 01:52:19 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on July 09, 2013, 01:47:06 PM

Demons cycle well with Gates of Hell and The Bronze Laver.

*singing* "Thheeeeee demons in the deck go round and round, round and round, round and round! The demons in the deck go round and round, all game long!"

CountFount · « **Reply #9 on:** July 09, 2013, 02:01:02 PM »

I would like someone to explain to an old man, What cycling means and clogging means? I'm picturing Lance Armstrong in wood shoes.

browarod · « **Reply #10 on:** July 09, 2013, 02:13:12 PM »

Quote from: CountFount on July 09, 2013, 02:01:02 PM

I would like someone to explain to an old man, What cycling means and clogging means? I'm picturing Lance Armstrong in wood shoes.

Clogging is (generally) having enhancements stuck in your hand that you have no characters to play them on. Your hand can be clogged by other things as well (T2 especially with having multiple copies of unique characters/fortresses in the deck), but it's usually enhancements.

Cycling, I believe, represents the combined ability to initially search out (or search out as you need) cards for the theme in addition to being able to recycle (recur) them. The Isaiah theme has an incredible ability to cycle (with all the searching and recurring you can do).

Chris · « **Reply #11 on:** July 09, 2013, 02:29:15 PM »

The biggest issue with Philistines right now is that many decks are using Nazareth, which pretty much shuts them down. Demons can be great (and probably the fastest defense when used properly), but I don't think they have a whole lot of power in the early-mid game. If you have a lot of room, Pharisees/Romans might be solid. I've been testing them a lot lately (with less room than you have), and they have some distinct advantages - not the least of which is that they're fast enough to make up for being so large. Other strong decks are Gates of Jerusalem, Babylonians, and Canaanites (though the latter generally functions best as a smaller defense). I would recommend NT grey or GoJ.

Gabe · « **Reply #12 on:** July 09, 2013, 03:17:54 PM »

Quote from: browarod on July 09, 2013, 02:13:12 PM

Clogging is (generally) having enhancements stuck in your hand that you have no characters to play them on. Your hand can be clogged by other things as well (T2 especially with having multiple copies of unique characters/fortresses in the deck), but it's usually enhancements.

CountFount probably views this as normal. All his decks play out this way.

Quote from: Chris on July 09, 2013, 02:29:15 PM

The biggest issue with Philistines right now is that many decks are using Nazareth, which pretty much shuts them down.

Philistines also have the perfect counter to Nazareth in Land Dispute. By default a take ability puts the taken card into your hand and allows the Philistine player to commence searching.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #13 on:** July 09, 2013, 03:36:40 PM »

Quote from: CountFount on July 09, 2013, 02:01:02 PM

I would like someone to explain to an old man, What cycling means and clogging means? I'm picturing Lance Armstrong in wood shoes.

Cycling is what some people do for exercise (noun: an activity that typically involves moving a variety of muscles in your body to increase blood flow, burn calories, and improve your overall health). Clogging is what generally happens to a person's arteries when they eat Kansas City BBQ Ribs every day...

As for Philistines, I don't play a lot of T1, but I'd be interested to see how successful people have been with them since the starters released. Specifically if anyone has been able to fit in Foreign Spearman to go along with the new spears, and how that has worked out. I built a T2 deck that tried to use Worship of Milcom to make him 12/12, but in testing it hasn't seemed very worth it. Othwerise, I'd think Phillies have potential, but I'd almost venture to say that the biggest issue with Philistines is that the main ones are not Brown, Crimson, Gray, or Pale Green...

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 09, 2013, 03:54:38 PM »

Their lack of initiative, speed, and CBN enhancements is frusterating and Asherah Pole and Carcassess are unrealiable. I have found it best to splash them with cannaanites not solo. They do destroy the previous Nationals winning deck which has to be worth something for us here in Minnestota as Martin is still ramming that deck down our throats.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #15 on:** July 09, 2013, 03:57:53 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on July 09, 2013, 03:17:54 PM

Quote from: Chris on July 09, 2013, 02:29:15 PM
The biggest issue with Philistines right now is that many decks are using Nazareth, which pretty much shuts them down.

Philistines also have the perfect counter to Nazareth in Land Dispute. By default a take ability puts the taken card into your hand and allows the Philistine player to commence searching.

I killed my first Nazzy with Ram's Horn last night.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #16 on:** July 09, 2013, 04:00:29 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on July 09, 2013, 03:54:38 PM

Their lack of initiative, speed, and CBN enhancements is frusterating and Asherah Pole and Carcassess are unrealiable. I have found it best to splash them with cannaanites not solo. They do destroy the previous Nationals winning deck which has to be worth something for us here in Minnestota as Martin is still ramming that deck down our throats.

But then again, we haven't had any tournaments with the new cards. Scattered, Foreign Wives and HHI, and even Strife (for those who really just want to beat his deck) have yet to get a crack at the reigning T1-2P Champion.

Orange Alstad · « **Reply #17 on:** July 09, 2013, 04:11:14 PM »

Hey Isildur!

I have an idea, that just might work...

First, build any traditional defense, roughly around 20 cards or so...maybe Crimson or Orange just to be a goon.

Next, get rid of all of those cards and replace them with offensive Interrupts, Drawing, AOCP, Site Access and a LE Shamgar (just to be safe).

Be sure that your deck is light enough for a small child to lift (ideally 51 cards or less).

Enjoi!

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 09, 2013, 04:21:29 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on July 09, 2013, 04:00:29 PM

Quote from: TheHobbit on July 09, 2013, 03:54:38 PM
Their lack of initiative, speed, and CBN enhancements is frusterating and Asherah Pole and Carcassess are unrealiable. I have found it best to splash them with cannaanites not solo. They do destroy the previous Nationals winning deck which has to be worth something for us here in Minnestota as Martin is still ramming that deck down our throats.

But then again, we haven't had any tournaments with the new cards. Scattered, Foreign Wives and HHI, and even Strife (for those who really just want to beat his deck) have yet to get a crack at the reigning T1-2P Champion.

His deck is still okay I think, y'all felt the need to bale him out with infinite Kidron.

Gabe · « **Reply #19 on:** July 09, 2013, 04:36:26 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on July 09, 2013, 04:21:29 PM

His deck is still okay I think, y'all felt the need to bale him out with infinite Kidron.

I have yet to see "infinite Kidron" be anything more than a gimmicky combo that's overhyped.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #20 on:** July 09, 2013, 04:47:22 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on July 09, 2013, 04:36:26 PM

Quote from: TheHobbit on July 09, 2013, 04:21:29 PM
His deck is still okay I think, y'all felt the need to bale him out with infinite Kidron.

I have yet to see "infinite Kidron" be anything more than a gimmicky combo that's overhyped.

I agree, yet I would definitely use it in a deck like Martin's, which can probably only afford 1-2 teal Heroes, but definitely needs to get rid of Household Idols (repeatedly if FW is being used) and CwD.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #21 on:** July 09, 2013, 05:17:41 PM »

Quote from: CountFount on July 09, 2013, 02:01:02 PM

I would like someone to explain to an old man, What cycling means and clogging means? I'm picturing Lance Armstrong in wood shoes.

Thanks for brightening my day, and giving me a great reason to pull this thread out of mothballs for the first time of 2013

The Guardian · « **Reply #22 on:** July 09, 2013, 06:10:40 PM »

Quote from: Orange Alstad on July 09, 2013, 04:11:14 PM

Hey Isildur!

I have an idea, that just might work...

First, build any traditional defense, roughly around 20 cards or so...maybe Crimson or Orange just to be a goon.

Next, get rid of all of those cards and replace them with offensive Interrupts, Drawing, AOCP, Site Access and a LE Shamgar (just to be safe).

Be sure that your deck is light enough for a small child to lift (ideally 51 cards or less).

Enjoi!

Who let this guy in here!?! Maybe I peaked his interest a bit by getting him to play a game with the I/J starters with me the other day.

CountFount · « **Reply #23 on:** July 09, 2013, 08:51:00 PM »

So defenses "cycling well" is what my deck did at type 2 local multi-player this year win I won it all and Type 2 clogging is what happened to the rest of you "pups" (for those of you from Iowa and Minnesota it is a nickname for young people) when you played against my "ten-speed".

everytribe · « **Reply #24 on:** July 09, 2013, 09:18:38 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on July 09, 2013, 03:36:40 PM

Quote from: CountFount on July 09, 2013, 02:01:02 PM
I would like someone to explain to an old man, What cycling means and clogging means? I'm picturing Lance Armstrong in wood shoes.

Cycling is what some people do for exercise (noun: an activity that typically involves moving a variety of muscles in your body to increase blood flow, burn calories, and improve your overall health). Clogging is what generally happens to a person's arteries when they eat Kansas City BBQ Ribs every day...

Quote from: Gabe on July 09, 2013, 03:17:54 PM

Quote from: browarod on July 09, 2013, 02:13:12 PM
Clogging is (generally) having enhancements stuck in your hand that you have no characters to play them on. Your hand can be clogged by other things as well (T2 especially with having multiple copies of unique characters/fortresses in the deck), but it's usually enhancements.

CountFount probably views this as normal. All his decks play out this way.

So that's what happened to CountFount when he timed out 1-1 at the type 2 only during a round of type 2-2 player. Or maybe he fell asleep during the game.

(the ribs were good, thanks Craig)

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