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Can we just have a couple cards different or something? They don't have to be a full set, there just has to be SOMETHING visually appealing. Every single guy in my dorm building buys Pokemon packs until they get a "full art."

Look, I think the whole "don't increase collector difficulty and make it easy for everyone to have a good deck" is preventing the game from increasing. As someone who doesn't have a LOT of money, I can say it's appreciate. But come on. It's a card game. And it has to have sales. There should be REALLY rare cards. And people will buy packs to get them. And they should be REALLY good. And they should help your deck. It's not bad to have good cards that are hard to get. It will help sell. And they should look awesome, maybe full art, extra shiny gold border, I don't care. Make them rare, make them cool looking, and make them original. That will help sales, I guarantee you. Great, you can spend $50 and get the whole new set. That's PROBABLY a pretty good reason the game doesn't sell as much anymore. Am I right?

That's essentially what Decipher did with Fight Klub.

Essentially what Rob Anderson would like to see is NUMBERS! LOTS and LOTS of numbers. Meaning? More people playing, being introduced, etc. 2013 should be the year of recruiting.
Nuff said.

To expand on the distribution method of Fight Klub, they had a 120 count pack of cards called a 'Kilo' that was sold for $30. It contained 10 random rare cards, one copy of every uncommon card, and 2 copies of every common card. An expansion set consisted of 30 rare, 30 uncommon, and 40 common cards. So if you wanted all of the rare cards, you had to buy multiple Kilos. A perfect distribution would mean a complete set for under $100, but this wasn't always the case of course. In addition, for every 3 Kilos that a person bought, they would receive an 11 card special edition pack that would contain unique cards you could only get from that pack.

hey sorry to be a little late to this thread but i am seeing some great ideas... Going off the whole MTG route.  What if Cactus Games started a campaign kind of like FNM for magic.  It could be called something like Sunday Morning Redemption.  I was thinking like it would be more targeted for church youth groups to get a larger # of younger people involved, but any church group could work I guess.  It would be a way to get more churches involved and participating.  The churches could also use it as an outreach.  Sure there would have to be some time spent making certain rules and regulations for it, but I think it would help market the product.  Just an idea...

now thats an idea!

Quote from: Redknight on March 21, 2013, 11:03:56 PM

hey sorry to be a little late to this thread but i am seeing some great ideas... Going off the whole MTG route.  What if Cactus Games started a campaign kind of like FNM for magic.  It could be called something like Sunday Morning Redemption.  I was thinking like it would be more targeted for church youth groups to get a larger # of younger people involved, but any church group could work I guess.  It would be a way to get more churches involved and participating.  The churches could also use it as an outreach.  Sure there would have to be some time spent making certain rules and regulations for it, but I think it would help market the product.  Just an idea...

My church back at home does Redemption game nights and tournaments once a month, plus some side stuff (like Booster Draft). They still get less than 10 kids generally (and we're a 2000+ person church).

too bad the same cant be said for tennessee other then knoxville

I'm still a fan of the red. It pops out more. The silver is really cool though.

Another thing preventing Redemption from selling a bunch is that normal type I, which is the largest category, only has 1 available card per deck. Compare that to Yugioh and Pokemon's 3 cards per deck. So that at least triples the amount of money each good player has to spend in order to have a competitive deck. That's kind of an unavoidable problem, but making rarer cards and making them not so easy to get will definitely help.

Redemption is too far on in its life to switch type 1 from 1 per deck to 3 per deck. I dont think I really need to explain why Besides the fact I personally like having one card per deck gives more variety to the game

Maybe next ROOT variant? 3 of a card per deck except ls/dom/duel brigade?

Awesome job on the artwork Daniel!

Uh, I think you do. For what possible reason would you say Type 1 cannot sustain a higher card limit cap if Type 2 demonstrates it quite well? The biggest reason I do not get into Type 2 is because playing with 100 card decks is ridiculous. I however would LOVE to play a mini version of Type 2. If you apply the same rules of balanced decks, then you'd have a solid format.

Ok let me explain the reasoning behind "too far in its life" and why I still think Redemption needs a reboot. There are two reasons we shouldnt use more then one card in a deck.

Also keep in mind Redemption is and always has been designed with type 1 as the main focus.

First off deck size. Most games that allow you to use x3 or more of a single card in your deck all have larger deck minimums. Almost every game I think of that uses this method is a minimum of 50 cards or more many games being 60 cards minimum. When you look at Redemption the minimum size is 50 cards per deck but in all reality the deck size is 43 cards since the 7 lost souls are the equivalent of accidentally drawing a joker from a deck of cards during a poker game. So off the bat Redemption deck sizes in "theory" are 10 cards smaller.

Next point is because of the fact Redemption has been designed with Type 1 in mind the game. Redemption draws three cards at the start of a turn while most games its one card per turn. There is also a PLETHORA of pinatas of drawing cards. Your average CCG/LCG/TCG does not have the obscene number of drawing cards Redemption has. Most games have less then 10 drawing cards in their entire set block let alone card pool in smaller games. Now what is the biggest problem with Redemption meta wise? Speed! always has been the problem and always will be. If I am allowed to have x3 of cards in my deck what is stopping me from making my deck 7 souls, 7 doms, 15 heroes, 15 drawing cards and 12 battle winners? You cant require people to balance their decks its just dumb considering the small deck sizes.

The problem is Redemption has two "forces" good and evil in each deck while most games have one. The reason other dual "force" games are able to use multiple copies is because they are split evenly at 30 good and 30 evil cards in a deck (there are no neutral cards in most games ala Lost Soul or Art type cards). With Redemption in its current state it would be a blood bath of good and drawing cards being thrown around there would be literally no reason to use a defense in your deck.

Let me point out if the game is rebooted it would be possible to make x3 per deck part of the game (if the game designers deem it be). What happens when you reboot is you have a Starter Deck, a 365 sized base set (this was Deciphers magic number) and booster draft boxes (the boosters would all come from this base set). Later on you would produce smaller 150 cardish sized sets to boost themes ect.

With a base set this large you are allowed to start a game afresh so what you would do is drop all of the "added" brigades from the game so there would only have the ones started with from the blue packs. Each brigade would have one "theme" and would later have additional "themes" added to the brigades in other sets. No arts, forts or sites would be released in this base set. What this does if we can trim all of the fat/junk from the current game state and re release a clean simple stream lined version of the game. Later on you can add all the more complicated stuff/additional brigades to the game but in a much more "controlled" fashion then has been done in the past.

Basically with a reboot the game will be the same but have more streamlined easier to understand rules and a new more balanced meta. Really the main reason I like the idea of reboot is because we can take the game back a few notches from its current CBN, auto win, preblock ignore, speed, ect. ect. overpowered broken state the game seems to be in.

Yu-Gi-Oh!'s minimum deck size is 40 and they allow up to 3 of most cards....

Still that game only uses one card medium not two. (I really have no clue how to word that but you get my point).