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I'm not sure it's even on the radar of the PTB.

I'm not saying it shouldn't activate in LoR or that I couldn't see some people interpreting it that way. What I'm saying is, based on my knowledge of Redemption wording and mechanics, the AB LS currently does not activate in LoR and needs to have the SA active in LoB when it's Rescued to work.

at this point then, its open to interpretation, since there is nothing that says lost souls can only be active in lob.

It should be an ongoing check. If Falling Away is played on AB LS, that undoes it, because it's an ongoing check.

that would also do it. good point, i never considered that.

It's an ongoing check that has to start in order to be ongoing.

Obviously, LS's do not activate in LoR. You should feel really stupid if I have to explain why. AB may be an exception to that because it has some less-than-stellar wording. MKC's explanation of my view hits the nail right on the head, and I do not believe the LS has any wording that would allow it to activate in LoR based on my knowledge of Redemption. I may be wrong, but so far you have not shown any of my logic to be flawed.

My primary argument was that AB is an exception to the rule, since that's the way it's worded, and that's the way it's been played. I understand your side of the argument, but based on the wording, it would seem that AB is an exception.

But based on this:

Yes, they can add Dragon Raid because the Site was Negated for the entire phase. Something would have to Negate the Art for a site that started the phase unoccupied.

it'd only be for the phase, and then it'd reactivate.

So, for now we wait on the PTB...

Can 2 Elders please post on this and agree.  I'd rather have a flawed rule'n than no rule'n.  I can't think of any sport or anything else just leaves a rule up in the air without saying one thing or another.

Daniel

 

There is a difference between new and really really bad. Please keep that in mind SomeKittens. Then again, hes beaten me like 4 of the last 5 times we played, so.... ;_;

I thought I posted on this very issue recently. One thing that would help, for future reference, is to put questions like this in Ruling Questions. I know I (and I'm assuming most other Elders) prioritize threads in that forum since that is where we are typically most needed. I don't think anyone was trying to ignore the thread, but I just didn't see it.

The way I understand it, Pol is correct. The anti-Burial Lost Soul has a special ability that activates when it is put in play, and when the trigger is satisfied (it goes to LoR) then the protection starts, and lasts until it is removed from LoR if applicable. If at anytime the trigger is broken (the FBTN Soul activates) then the protection would never start, unless the trigger was repaired (FBTN soul stopped negating) before it tried to fire.

Wouldn't the conditions on this ongoing ability change the next turn, though? If the AB LS is rescued while a FNTN LS is active, its trigger does not activate that turn, having been negated. However, at the beginning of the next turn, would it not look to see if the trigger is now met, and since it is no longer a LS AND is in a LoR the SA would activate at that point? This is an ongoing ability, which can be triggered by the removal of the FBTN LS from the field of play, so wouldn't the ongoing effect get an opportunity to trigger under other conditions?

Wouldn't the conditions on this ongoing ability change the next turn, though? If the AB LS is rescued while a FNTN LS is active, its trigger does not activate that turn, having been negated. However, at the beginning of the next turn, would it not look to see if the trigger is now met, and since it is no longer a LS AND is in a LoR the SA would activate at that point? This is an ongoing ability, which can be triggered by the removal of the FBTN LS from the field of play, so wouldn't the ongoing effect get an opportunity to trigger under other conditions?

Lost Soul abilities are not active in the LoR (otherwise the FBTN LS would continue to work while rescued). The anti-Burial LS is unique in that it sets a trigger for a state of the game to happen (that soul being in an LoR) but the ability isn't actually an active ability while it's there, it just affects the state of the game from the moment it is rescued. If FA is used, then it's SA is again active and such checks as you are suggesting are in fact performed.