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Quote from: Alex_Olijar on May 23, 2013, 05:41:09 PM

If I find a broken combo with new cards, I shouldn't have to suffer because I can't use it to win

So you are arguing that it is better for people to be able to spring broken combos on everyone at the National tournament.  We're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one.

Yes, 100% it is better to allow everyone to spring a broken combo at the same tournament, rather than allow some to have a chance to spring a broken combo at one level of tournament and ruin said combo for others who may have found it independently. When there's prizes on the line through things like RNRS, you can't possible suggest that it's fair that for NE Regionals, I get to use X cards, while for EC Regionals you get to use X + 5 cards. That's not the same competition level, and thus can not be compared, invalidating the entire purpose of the RNRS system.

Additionally, since you sprung the same combo that I found at an earlier tournament (which, barring spending significantly more money than you had to and traveling substantially farther) than I am able to, potentially ruining my chance to spring said combo and hurting my chances at Nats.

I honestly don't care what the actual situation ends up being (because I probably can't go to Regionals anyway), but I think it's not valid to suggest that this is a fair and equal solution for all players, and I don't really think it's the best solution. It's very fair to all to simply allow the cards to first be legal at Nationals. Your position also comes from a fundamental dislike of broken combos rather than an admiration and appreciation of those who find them, which I suppose I understand, but still disagree with. If someone finds a broken combo, they shouldn't lose out on winning with it because their area of the country didn't give them access to Regionals post-set release.

You're right that I don't like breaking the game

And as for the fairness of the situation, I don't dispute that it isn't quite fair for the EC players to get an extra few cards available to choose from for their regional.  However, I think the disparity between winning the EC Regional and winning the NC or NE Regional has MUCH less to do with those few cards than it does to the overall caliber of players attending.  There's just not as many national champions in the EC Regional as there are in the NC or NE.  So I think the issue of the cards will make relatively little difference.

Wow.  WC is not even mentioned.  I feel like an outcast :p.

I agree that since the set is coming out so late that it should only be available for closed categories.  For those who go to Natz, they wouldn't want to reveal their combos on regular RTS games against random players but they would probably test it out at Regionals.  Since a lot of people won't be able to test out any new combos as a place where they are more comfortable to test them out, it does put them at a disadvantage (or they would have to risk too much exposure of their combo on RTS and change a lot of people copying it).

Any combos made with new cards won't come out of the closet for another six months or so due to developmental issues.

Please, I found the Noah/Covenant of Noah combo the day Patriarchs was released. 4/10 to the face. ALL DAY SON.

You've got it backwards. RTS is a safer testing haven than RL. If I had a broken combo I 'd test it on RTS with someone I trusted and keep it on the backburner till nationals. Also people need to drop the combo nonsense. Any combos made with new cards won't come out of the closet for another six months or so due to developmental issues.

I'm trustworthy, not going to Natz and willing to be a RTS testing haven for those insane combos that you all want to try out, yet keep top secret.


Godspeed,
Mike

Also if anyone has some crazy combo deck they want me to try out at EC Regionals send me a list and Ill consider it. Working on some home brews myself.

No no, we don't need anyone to help Clift.  But I'm more than willing to give it a try!   

Quote from: Prof Underwood on May 23, 2013, 05:45:29 PM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on May 23, 2013, 05:41:09 PM

If I find a broken combo with new cards, I shouldn't have to suffer because I can't use it to win

So you are arguing that it is better for people to be able to spring broken combos on everyone at the National tournament.  We're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one.

No but the only 100% way to avoid that possibility Is If the cards are any legal for nats.

People can try and justify the cards all they want but it is clearly going to be a mess. Some areas are going to have significant advantages because they are more familiar with the cards. And not all of us can easily find $45 to buy the new set right away. I know the decision has been made but that doesn't mean I'm any less frustrated.

For an unwarrented reason. Just test with RTS. It's without a doubt going to level the playing field.

Quote from: Jmbeers on May 30, 2013, 08:17:40 PM

And not all of us can easily find $45 to buy the new set right away.

I'm curious where you got this figure from. The starter decks are like $12.50 and the tin card set (without packs, from Ken) is like $10. That's about half of the cost you posted.

Plus shipping/handling/credit card interest