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Quote from: SomeKittens on April 19, 2011, 09:47:58 AM

Thanks.  In my experience, table talk is nothing more than "don't let him get his third soul" etc.

This comment, I would have to rate as *legitimate* table talk although I typically say "This is his third" or "This is for the win if he's got the big two" or... "Justin can't get to #5 if you don't give him #1."

I have played in games where someone miscounted lost souls and gave a freebie as the third when everyone--including the blocker--knew the person getting the soul hadn't played SoG/NJ. From experience it is not very much fun to win simply because someone made a silly mistake.

Yeah, but that's said every single time.  I think it was mentioned in the other thread how irritating it is when someone tries to convince new players to attack you.

It's all good. I've totally changed my offense.

That stinks. The Count and I felt so bad about how we had treated you that we were planning on letting you play your converted Proud Pharisee at the next game. Heck, I even took all the copies of Destructive Sin out of my deck to make things more fun for you. I replaced them with some Darius's Decrees and Covenants of Abraham.

Quote from: CountFount on April 19, 2011, 09:12:20 AM

You are absolutely right about lying. I have tried over and over to convince EmJayBee83 of this point. He just persists in telling me that he "will work with me", Let's use "our" dominants on the other two, Did you know if you let me win I will give you all my ocean property in Oklahoma?, Gabe is not a terrorist he just doesn't know that a razor is a tool of "beauty", Justin A is a nice guy....things like that.  

I want to play a game with you so you can have fun playing MP.  

I seriously LOL'ed so hard a little bit of pee came out.  

If you thought that was funny, you should try playing a game of multi-player with him at the table. Once you get past the prune smell and the snoring, it can be almost enjoyable.

If a top tier player sits down in a multiplayer game they best be recognizing they bout to get pounced. I realize this plenty of times, and I know it is coming. I try to stay quiet and not attack, but it usually still does not matter. I don't mind table talk if it is just for fun/joking around. I actually love it. I love being able to sit down at a table with a bunch of friends and joke around. BUT, at a top level tournament I would definitely call out another player if they blatantly announced, "Hey attack me so you get a lost soul and I can take out his offense." Yeah you also best recognize my boy B-dawg Hake is coming over for some business. So in a fun joking around way, I do not mind what so ever, but blatant, attack me so I can make sure he won't win is not cool. I will accept however a, "Hey your offense looks very strong against my defense..." Maybe even throw in a wink at the end of it. I am fine with that as it is strategy and it is suggesting something to your opponent, but letting him decode it and make the decision. I think table talk is not right when it changes the opponent's mind on doing something he or she would not do, and affects the game in the favor of "the talker".

I dont mind table talk, its when people dont know how to play multiplayer that gets me...

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on April 19, 2011, 08:55:54 AM

The best table talk ever: I am playing at Ohio Nats with one of SlugFencer's sons. He goes on to tell everyone at the table how he's not that good of a player and how he is only there because it meant a lot to his dad to be able to spend some time together and so on and so forth. It was really touching, and we all sort of believed him until he pulled some wicked combo and then started chuckling to himself.

I remember that game.  He started with the whole sweet little kid routine, and then proceeded to totally attack one of the players at the table into the ground, playing all his dominants on them.  It was funny because it wasn't me.

Then in a later game that I played with the same guy, he pulled the same thing again, and that time I was the chosen one, and I got clobbered by him.  Since I'd seen him do it before, and I knew it wasn't personal, I actually still found it funny, in spite of the fact that I lost that game badly.

 
Sounds like Peter. lil stinker. I didn't know he was trying his "cute little kid routine." Chip off the ol block.  
I was at one of his tables, too, and thought he might show me some mercy, until his doms flew fast and furiously at me...at head scratching moments...until I saw him cackling at me.  
My other son, Christian, was at another multi table with me and simply announced to the table "kill my dad."
ahhh, Such love!!  

So you're fine with conspiracy and backstabbing, as long as one doesn't lie?

If you are the one being targeted and you are against table talk, recognize that you are obviously in the minority trying to convince the majority to play differently, and instead, start table talking yourself.

Completely disagree. If someone is about to block me with one card (i.e. has the EC in hand and is moving it towards the Field of Battle) and someone else blurts out "No! Use your other guy!" you can be assured that I am not going to let that fly. That is wrong and should not be tolerated in a tournament game. Table talk is useful in games being played for fun so that inexperienced players can learn what cards are best for different situations, but in a tournament game there should be no "coaching" unless a player asks "Am I allowed to make this play?" (Note that the previous question is different from "Would this be the best play?").

I don't wish to come across as a legalistic jerk, but I once lost a Regional tournament because someone told another player, "Attack me, I'll give you the Lost Soul." Coming in 2nd at that tournament also meant I ended up 2nd in RNRS for that year. I'm not bitter and I obviously didn't quit Redemption, but it's just a good reminder that there are rules in place and we should abide by them, because that is just as vital to fun and fellowship as having a good time while playing.  

I am all for table talk as long as you aren't flat out telling someone what to do. I think that it is OK to remind someone of an ability on their cards and what the score is as long as you aren't doing it maliciously. I would hate to lose a game because someone forgot to use the special ability of a card they have active.

WE are not talking a bunch of newbs and one good player who is winning here, we are talking about four good players who dont need to do that, are prefectly capable of winning without the table talk and attacking a player who isnt winning because they fear he could do, not what he is doing. I will admit, I have fallen into the temptation and had to check myself on it. But I dont like watching it, and alot of these scenarios you people keep bringing up sound absolutely terrible and frankly I would be ticked off being in those games. If people cant keep track of the gameplay, they dont need to be reminded. Live and learn, and dont make the same mistake again. Even Monopoly has rules that prevent table talk. If someone lands on your property and you dont notice, they dont have to pay you.

there are rules in place

Citation needed.

Why does it state it must be in English? Can't it just say it must be in a language all players understand?

Oddly enough, I couldn't find any rules specifically stating that setting your opponent's deck on fire was not allowed. Ergo, it must be allowed...