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Spoilers on the New Set
« on: March 10, 2010, 06:02:34 PM »
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I deleted the original post due to messiness, but anyway, I have noticed that Bryon has already begun to gradually leak info on the upcoming Redemption set. Here's a bit of the info I have gathered so far:

Quote from: www.redemptionca.com
Some top secret info about the 2010  Redemption expansion set:

It contains over 100 cards, but fewer than 120.

Already on the list are some powerful counters to pre-block ignore.

The battle winners in this set will be interrupt-able.  :)
I just reread the list to be sure, and I counted a grand total of 0 cannot be negated battle winners.  A few "cannot be prevented"s and some non-battle-winner cannot be negated enhancements ...
On closer inspection, there are a few currently on the list that ... have cannot be negated status if opponent has a certain type of card in battle/play.  But cards like that rely on your OPPONENT to become cannot be negated ...

The next set will include cards of every brigade, but will NOT include cards for every theme or culture.

I'm looking at 3 cards on the list that will likely cause Ithamar to see more play next year ...

By this time next year, Egypt users won't be fearing JtE quite so much.

If you want to attack Gates of Hell, there are ways to do so without a dominant.  You will see at least 3 in the next set.
I'm looking at the three cards now:
1) a card that can discard evil card(s) from bottom of opponent's deck
2) a card that can negate GoH (and other cards) for one phase
3) a "if used by a ___" card that can discard GoH (or another evil card).  This will be the first card that can actually discard GoH, since GoH is set aside.  Before that, ANB was the only option.

The first card isn't really that powerful, and will likely be used for deck-shrinking.  If you know your opponent has that card, you can use GoH before your opponent uses that card.  
The second card will be used, but if you know your opponent has that card, you can just use GoH in a different phase.
The third card will be hard on GoH when it is played, but it can only be used by certain characters, and requires initiative.

I shy away from dominants, since many become deck staples and can limit creativity.

Maybe we need to make a fortress that lets you do something every time an opponent plays a dominant.  Hmmm...

In my opinion, red and purple are the brigades that should have the vast majority of good weapons.  The evil weapons will be in every color but orange.  

... I wanted to see players rip through their entire dek after they got what they needed.

Oh yeah.  I forgot to mention the card that will make THAT strategy a little more dangerous.  :)

I'm looking at a blue TC enhancement on the list that is usable by any human hero except a priest (not much of a restriction).  Its main restriction is a three turn limit to its effect.
The theme-haters I think will like this.
The card I was talking about is gone now, but there is still a GREAT T-class enhancement for blue, that does not require Genesis.

... you have to decide between pure Green, Green/Teal, or Green/TGT. If you go pure Green, you typically have to decide between Jeremiah abuse, Habbakuk/IaP territory abuse, traditional balanced, or Micah/Two Bears abuse.
And in the next set, one of those subthemes gets more help, and a whole new green prophets subtheme debuts.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2010, 02:02:21 PM by BubbleBoy »
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2010, 06:03:15 PM »
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Continued...

I am going through the list and GREATLY reducing the number of search and shuffle abilities.  Search abilities are, for the most part, being replaced by abilities like Susana's.  Shuffle abilities are being replaced by "return to top (or bottom) of deck."

So far, we've only kept two search abilities intact. One searches for a certain unique character, and one for a certain fortress.

Speed will get hurt in the next set.  There are at least 3 cards that will make players think twice before building a deck involving lots of draw abilities.

Hand discard is fairly strong already.  It'll get a little help, most likely, in the next set.  But deck discard is not nearly as strong yet.  It will likely get the more powerful new cards.

i think what we need are more new themes for each brigade, not just one exclusively. some already have them, but some also glaringly dont.
This is the way we are going, especially for the themes that are small.  Angels, Priests, Prophets, Genesis, Military, and Demons have more than enough characters and art to supply those brigades for a long, long time.  In those brigades, expect some references to things like O.T. or N.T. prophets; O.T. warrior class red or N.T. warrior class red; Warrior class Angels or Prophet Angels; Priests based on Tabernacle, Solomon's Temple, Z's Temple, Herod's Temple; Female Genesis heroes, sons of Jacob, etc.

As for themes, expect them to continue, character-wise.  However, expect at least half the new enhancements to be usable by "non-theme" characters.

Also, expect a couple new themes this year.  :)

Quote from: www.ggamestore.com
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       Standard ROA or FOOF tin plus a Disciples box expansion.

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All cards in the Redemption universe are legal for play at all Nationals 2010 events EXCEPT any Custom Created cards, any Disciples expansion cards or New Nationals promo card.

If anyone else finds anything leaked by Bryon or another authority, please post it here. :)
« Last Edit: March 30, 2010, 12:04:52 PM by BubbleBoy »
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2010, 11:41:29 PM »
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There will be starters in 2011.

There will be more cards putting a hurtin' on demons.

For proof of this, check out Da Music Maker's complaint thread.
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2010, 12:28:59 AM »
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There will be starters in 2011.

There will be more cards putting a hurtin' on demons.

For proof of this, check out Da Music Maker's complaint thread.

Bryon didn't say there will be starters in 2011. Just that there is a good chance of that.
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2010, 02:33:03 AM »
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There will be starters in 2011.

There will be more cards putting a hurtin' on demons.

For proof of this, check out Da Music Maker's complaint thread.

Bryon didn't say there will be starters in 2011. Just that there is a good chance of that.
Thanks for clearing that up.  :)

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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2010, 11:23:12 AM »
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A new mystery artifact...

Um.  Yes, it is broken.  It doesn't require a single character or enhancement and you get to destroy half a typical defense.  Further, you can combo the mystery artifact with I Am Patience for even more (unlimited) territory decimation.

The "Yes, it is broken," is referring to comboing the new artifact with Holy Grail.

That means the new mystery artifact cannot be activated anywhere outside the artifact pile.
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2010, 06:02:22 AM »
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Here's a minor spoiler: expect everyone to be playing a deck with one hero (no joke lol)

something needs to be done about that certain character playtesters : -P

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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2010, 08:28:51 AM »
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Quite of few decks these days already play 4 or less (I have two decks that fit this catergory).  That wouldn't be a huge change. ;)

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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2010, 08:50:18 AM »
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Yeah, but, this one...I'd be surprised and disappointed if this came out the way I've seen it.
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2010, 12:33:09 AM »
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I do know it will be booster packs!!!! yay! ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2010, 08:11:05 AM »
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I do know it will be booster packs!!!! yay! ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D
Are you sure about this? Who said this and where?
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2010, 03:47:08 PM »
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You'd best be careful mate ;) The last person who started a spoiler thread got beheaded by Byron. Why do you think we never see Gil Galad on anymore?




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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2010, 11:01:38 AM »
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He's still alive, and still has his head.  He only can't spoil cards online because he's missing his fingers.  :)

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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2010, 11:41:18 AM »
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He's still alive, and still has his head.  He only can't spoil cards online because he's missing his fingers.  :)

Where did he leave them last?
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2010, 04:42:31 PM »
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He's still alive, and still has his head.  He only can't spoil cards online because he's missing his fingers.  :)

Where did he leave them last?
iu thiought i t5ookl thwem w2ityh mre!!!!1

;)

Seriously though, I wish I knew enough about the set that I wouldn't even want spoilers...
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2010, 11:57:16 AM »
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I'm sure this has been noticed and just isn't on this thread, but the Gauntlet Games site says the new set is called the "Disciples Expansion" (http://www.ggamestore.com/games/index.php?main_page=page&id=15).
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2010, 12:03:16 PM »
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Nice find, Tim.
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2010, 12:04:53 PM »
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i said this in the 2010 nats announcement page about the name of the expansion.
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2010, 12:06:06 PM »
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I'm sure this has been noticed and just isn't on this thread, but the Gauntlet Games site says the new set is called the "Disciples Expansion" (http://www.ggamestore.com/games/index.php?main_page=page&id=15).
Ah, yes. Thanks for reminding me. A quote has been added to the list. :)
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2010, 12:18:05 PM »
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the set is bigger than 100 but smaller than 120.(my guess is 110)
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2010, 12:25:54 PM »
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the set is bigger than 100 but smaller than 120.(my guess is 110)
How do you know it's smaller than 120? My guess would be that it is exactly 120 (or possibly 180), since it is likely that Cactus is using the same card sheet layout that they did last year. However, that 120 may include Promos, so if you don't count those I suppose the set might be 110ish.
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2010, 12:40:22 PM »
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i saw this on bryon's website.
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2010, 12:41:44 PM »
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i saw this on bryon's website.
Okay, seriously, what is this? I've heard of this before, but I don't know where to find it. Could someone post a link?
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2010, 12:43:29 PM »
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www.redemptionca.com it's on the news page.
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Re: Spoilers on the New Set
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2010, 01:48:02 PM »
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Gauntlet games refers to a Disciples "box" expansion, so it may be like TexP.  Between 100-120 cards?  If we assume they're using the 100-card sheets again, and assume we get 10 new promos, what are the options?

If 120: 480 cards + 20 promos (2 rows) = 500 cards = 5 sheets

...more when I have time to do the math. :)
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