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There is always one answer to Nazareth, Assyrian Siege Army, of course he might only be helpful to win the battle if you run an Assyrian defense. But still that can be an answer to old Nazzy

I've seen the shuffler included in my opponent's deck and it got him a win a few days ago.  He drew out five lost souls including the shuffler on the first turn, I walked in for a gimmie on that first round, and he gave me the shuffler.  After that he didn't draw another soul for about three turns, which delayed my offense enough for him to get the win. 

Also it's an interesting add for multi-player since if an opponent SoGs it the shuffler can be a block.  Sometimes it can come back to bite you but often times it's extremely helpful.

Then of course there's the 2/3-liner, the revealer, the same lost soul, and others that can be manipulated via the shuffle.

Yet for all that the shuffler has going for it, I still feel there are better adds.  So I'm probably not going to be using the shuffler anymore, except maybe in multi, where I like to use the 3-liner. 

Well I wasn't saying that the shuffler was only for shuffling the revealer. And there are many good things about an assyrian defense in my opinion. I was just listing the revealer as one reason why a shuffler could still come in handy. In my opinion there are not a whole lot of lost souls that are a must have in decks. In my opinion I think with the dominant cap and people using a lampstand to replace things like guardian of your souls. I would guess the anti burial would go before the shuffler would.

On the defensive end, you could always rescue your opponents shuffler with SOG. I have always found that to be fun when I can't block.

This is exactly why I won't use Shuffler in my deck. For all the possible benefits it has, this is first and foremost my fear, and I'd rather add a Lost Soul with less possible benefit, but a lot less risk.

I agree with Wraith and Chronic for the most part.  All the potential benefits are blasted away by the fact that your opponent can get a block from it. 

Still, in multi-player I think that this is a beneficial property since someone playing SoG of the shuffler can save the game.  The downside to that is that they could be saving the game against you of course... This is mitigated however, by the fact that there are more people in the game than just two.

I go all out offense in multiplayer and play with Thorns (and the 6 good dominants + Mayhem).

Quote from: Wings of Music on April 01, 2012, 07:01:04 PM

I agree with Wraith and Chronic for the most part.  All the potential benefits are blasted away by the fact that your opponent can get a block from it. 

Still, in multi-player I think that this is a beneficial property since someone playing SoG of the shuffler can save the game.  The downside to that is that they could be saving the game against you of course... This is mitigated however, by the fact that there are more people in the game than just two.

I go all out offense in multiplayer and play with Thorns (and the 6 good dominants + Mayhem).

What's the sixth "good dominant" exactly? I only consider SoG, NJ, CM, AotL, and Grapes staples.

SoG, NJ, AotL, Grapes, GoYS, Harvest time. Those are probably the 6 he's talking about. 

No he's obviously using Glory of the Lord 

Quote from: Wings of Music on April 01, 2012, 07:38:18 PM

SoG, NJ, AotL, Grapes, GoYS, Harvest time. Those are probably the 6 he's talking about. 

Wraith, if you have room, I would drop Guardian and add Lampy to make room for CM.   

Banding is too popular. My next add would be DoN.

It's popular, but there are still many scenarios in which to use it. I'd argue that if you take out CM, you shouldn't use KoT either.

In an all out offense, I'd drop Grapes for DoN.  Grapes is not as useful for all offense and DoN can counter problems for your offense.

I'm not sure about Grapes either, I think it depends on what everyone else decides. Legitimately, the only things that have a good chance of blocking you are Uzzah (grapes doesn't help) and anything in the early game (you probably won't have Grapes).

Grapes also works on defense though, especially if you're behind by a soul or two. It's so versatile I think it will always be in my decks.

Except that Wraith is using no defense... So grapes can be dropped.

It's multiplayer. I can use it on somebody else's Sabbath Breaker.

 So after hearing most of your comments, its sounding like shuffler is moslty "Dead N Gone". Now, which lost soul replaces the shuffler?

The */4 without a doubt, since it can't be targeted by Sog/NJ.