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I personally always used to use shuffler and 2-liner, but have stopped using them since the new rulings. Shuffler hurts me now more than it helps since I can no longer rescue my own with SoG/NJ.

wait how is 2 liner suddenly dead? It's still an auto block with burial. If anything it's even better now

Quote from: lp670sv on March 30, 2012, 03:14:51 PM

wait how is 2 liner suddenly dead? It's still an auto block with burial. If anything it's even better now

Not many people are going to be willing to put in burial as opposed to other doms with the dom cap.  I'd still use the 2-liner with hormah though.

I would use 2-liner in any deck that I use an LS shuffler (DoU, Just a Hireling, SSS, etc.) or Hormah. But I can definitely see the argument for not using it in many decks now. Shuffler is still useful, but primarily in balanced-defensive heavy decks, where shuffling all of your LS's might hide them for a few turns. I wouldn't use it in a speed deck.

wait how is 2 liner suddenly dead? It's still an auto block with burial. If anything it's even better now

There's two reasons it's doubtful I'll use 2-Liner. First off, I'll probably never use Burial ever. Angel of the Lord, Christian Martyr, and Grapes are all staples to me (plus the big two), and Mayhem is likely to find its way into any deck I build as well. That leaves Harvest Time, Destruction of Nehushtan, and Falling Away to fight it out for the last dom spot, and I think all three of them are better suited for my style of play (speed) than Burial is. Since I'll very rarely ever play 2-Liner without Burial or Shuffler (which I'll never use with the new rules), the odds of it finding its way into my deck simply aren't good. The second reason is that it gives my opponent one more soul to rescue, which reduces the possibility of effective mid-to-end-game soul drought, which is a big deal in speed vs. speed, or on the rare occasion I play a balanced deck.

I think 2-liner is still useful in most decks. People who don't use GoYS essentially have to wait to rescue the other half with SoG/NJ until they can get 5. Even Lampstand can be thwarted by Fortify Site, Iron Pan, Casting Lots, etc.

Are you all insane? Shuffler just became the best LS in the game. Ask the Wraith.

Why?

Build a deck around it? It's useful even when you're not totally focused or reliant on it.

Don't listen to Westy though. He's trying to convince me that a monoblue disciples deck is good.

Really, it's about 2 or 3 cards that wouldn't be worth using otherwise. That's quite a bit, but it isn't something insurmountable.

It's actually a fairly easy splash that fits perfectly with a mono-blue disciples deck. You guys are going to get rocked at nats.

Just a Hireling, SSS, and DoU are the way to go. Shuffler's still nice when you don't care if your opponent gets a block, as it can soul drought some more.

Once they see this deck at Nats they are going to regret making that decision.

Word to the wise from the not so wise:

If you want something to surprise everyone at Nats, you can't hype it up

On that, I can see you being a stereotypical home-run hitter.  When your pitch is there, BAM!.  Otherwise you'll just make a lot of breeze

Everybody will be surprised it works.

Everyone will be too busy being surprised at RDT using Angry Mob version 2, right before he's stripped of his elder status.

Just saying, but anything that can shuffle a revealer is good in my book, get to use the revealer as many times as possible