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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2011, 05:08:46 PM »
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Samuel (Red/Purple) use 3-4 ITB/CBN wins, not to mention the ability to gain 9 cards in one battle with just heroes.

Samuel (Red/Teal) is great too.
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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2011, 08:56:39 PM »
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Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 05, 2011, 03:38:26 PM
I'm not sure why you'd bother with Red/Purple when Ahimilek/Samuel abuse exists, since those make the deck 100x faster and better. More than likely, his "Red/Purple" is actually an Ahimilek/Samuel. Which really doesn't rely on Red or Purple. It relies on Samuel speed and Ahimilek CBN wins.
More than likely, you're wrong.  ;) There are serious advantages to a red/purple, without Samuel, Nazareth being one. Household Idols being another. And it's almost as fast, it really is.
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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2011, 12:28:56 AM »
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This topic has turned into the very antithesis of it's inspiration :P

I found myself getting angry one day at how much smack people talk about top tier decks and cards without naming specific plays, why they are good, or what to do with them. So rather than complaining I thought I'd start some constructive conversation.

So for all you who saying "Ahimelek deck" - what does that mean? How is this not a "red" deck? What are some combos?

For all you who saying "Samuel & Ahimelek" deck - what makes a deck fit this docket? (Combos, 'staples', etc.)
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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2011, 12:50:13 AM »
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Ahimelek -- It uses some red, such as Ishmaiah and David, to draw cards and have Ahimelek be cbn. Instead of having lots of red battle winners, it primarily used cards like Battle Cry and Sound the Alarm to use Ahimelek to wni the battles.

Samuel and Ahimelek -- It used the Samuel draw cards, like Angel under the Oak, Samuel banded to Armorbearer to Ishmaiah, and some other cards. Then battle winners include battle cry and Deborah's Directive to band in Ahimelek for cbn battle winning.

That's the basic strategies, deck lists will vary.
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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2011, 01:15:22 AM »
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Quote from: lightningninja on October 06, 2011, 12:50:13 AM
Ahimelek -- It uses some red, such as Ishmaiah and David, to draw cards and have Ahimelek be cbn. Instead of having lots of red battle winners, it primarily used cards like Battle Cry and Sound the Alarm to use Ahimelek to wni the battles.
Red/Teal is quite common for Ahimilek, due to Trumpet and Sword (just an awesome Red/Teal card), Jehoiada's Strength, and The Silver Trumpets. Teal also increases the speed factor with Pentecost and First Fruits. Ambush is another great Ahimilek abuser.

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Samuel and Ahimelek -- It used the Samuel draw cards, like Angel under the Oak, Samuel banded to Armorbearer to Ishmaiah, and some other cards. Then battle winners include battle cry and Deborah's Directive to band in Ahimelek for cbn battle winning.
From what I've seen, the battle winners generally are:
Samuel's Edict (negate and CBN discard)
Reach/AoCP (interrupt and CBN discard)
Bravery of David (negate and CBN discard
Unified Kingdom (Generally off of King David, so banding in Ahimilek is a CBN return)
Battle Cry (interrupt and band [to Ahimilek, who CBN], essentially a CBI)
Zeal (less so, but again, interrupt and CBN discard)

Quote from: Neil Da BOMB J on October 05, 2011, 03:59:47 PM
But why is Samuel/Amaleck so good.  Abigail can draw a lot of cards to.  Not to mention the purple you can through in with King Amazing/Valley of salt Reach AocP and Counsel.
All of which can easily be included in a Samuel/Ahimilek deck. I didn't use King Amazing/VoS or Counsel, but Abigail was nice for drawing, plus getting around Uzzah.
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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2011, 01:27:45 AM »
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Yeah I've been using a red/teal deck since the release of Trumpet and Sword, lol. And although I have Jehoida's Strength and Battle Cry I would not consider it an "Ahimelek" deck by a long shot. If Ahimelek died I wouldn't flinch... I get more torn up when they kill my Phinehas or Centurians.

I do appreciate the deck explanations GREATLY wraith and ninja, I hadn't observed these first hand. Thanks.
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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2011, 01:45:05 AM »
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The biggest advantage of a Red/Purple over a focus on Samuel is that you don't have to worry about Nazareth.
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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2011, 09:14:19 AM »
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Quote from: Red Warrior on October 06, 2011, 01:27:45 AM
Yeah I've been using a red/teal deck since the release of Trumpet and Sword, lol. And although I have Jehoida's Strength and Battle Cry I would not consider it an "Ahimelek" deck by a long shot. If Ahimelek died I wouldn't flinch... I get more torn up when they kill my Phinehas or Centurians.
...you haven't played Ahimilek. I originally just threw him in my Samuel deck for lulz. Hands down best hero in the game.

Quote from: lightningninja on October 06, 2011, 01:45:05 AM
The biggest advantage of a Red/Purple over a focus on Samuel is that you don't have to worry about Nazareth.
How do you figure? Teal has Benedictus. What does Red/Purple have? Nazareth also only stops the 2-3 Samuel uses. No big deal if that gets shut down.
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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2011, 09:54:32 AM »
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Abigail gets around Uzzah?  I didn't catch that, nice!  She may find a spot in my deck.

The nice thing is Red/Purple is possible with a splash of Teal for lulz.  (and Zeal CBN)  (or CBI if you can't find your Joshua)
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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2011, 01:36:13 PM »
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Quote from: SomeKittens on October 06, 2011, 09:54:32 AM
Abigail gets around Uzzah?  I didn't catch that, nice!  She may find a spot in my deck.

Yeah. You didn't think she was just useful against Burial, did you? She gets around Uzzah, Trembling Demon (even with HoH up), Heretics, Bel's Banquet, Failed Objective, Just a Hireling, DoU, Washing Hands, Stone Throwers, SSS, and maybe more that I'm missing.

Basically, all that in addition to drawing, banding, and getting better initiative than most royalty while not being able to be hit by just one Samaria. Yeah, she's worth a spot in quite a few decks.
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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2011, 01:46:55 PM »
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Ring Wraith vs Sam Larson.....

"Hmm.... I think he has Uzzah in his hand and nothing else, better attack with Sammy after I'm decked out instead of Abby! That way I can use Ahimilek!"
"Hmm.... I think he has Burial in his hand and nothing else, better attack with Sammy after I'm decked out instead of Abby! That way I can use Ahimilek!"
"Hmm.... I think he can stop Sammy but not Abby, better attack with Sammy after I'm decked out instead of Abby! That way I can use Ahimilek!"

Srs. That lost him the game. So eZ.
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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2011, 01:49:04 PM »
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Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on October 06, 2011, 01:46:55 PM
Ring Wraith vs Sam Nurge.....

"Hmm.... I think he has Uzzah in his hand, better attack with Sammy after I'm decked out instead of Abby! That way I can use Ahimilek!"
"Hmm.... I think he has Burial in his hand, better attack with Sammy after I'm decked out instead of Abby! That way I can use Ahimilek!"
"Hmm.... I think he can stop Sammy but not Abby, better attack with Sammy after I'm decked out instead of Abby! That way I can use Ahimilek!"

Srs. That lost him the game. So eZ.
Sam Larson, not Sam Nurge.

I'm such a noob.
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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2011, 01:49:18 PM »
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Agreed.  In my games with TJ, when I wasn't having fun with King Amazing I was letting TJ know his Uzzah didn't work with my Abigail.  I let him use his Fallen Warrior with horsies, just to be nice.  Of course, it wasn't nice when I made him shuffle his 6/14 FW+horsies next turn.  :laugh:   I should make a sour patch kids commercial.  ;)
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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2011, 01:50:02 PM »
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Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 06, 2011, 01:49:04 PM
Ring Wraith vs Sam Nurge.....
I knew that on some level.... Nurge lives in MA right?
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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2011, 01:52:05 PM »
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Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on October 06, 2011, 01:50:02 PM
Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 06, 2011, 01:49:04 PM
Ring Wraith vs Sam Nurge.....
I knew that on some level.... Nurge lives in MA right?
Yeah, I was wondering about that, thought it was RTS.
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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2011, 02:02:47 PM »
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Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 06, 2011, 09:14:19 AM
How do you figure? Teal has Benedictus. What does Red/Purple have? Nazareth also only stops the 2-3 Samuel uses. No big deal if that gets shut down.
Do they run Benedictus? Even still, that's one turn. It also stops Angel Under the Oak from getting him out faster, and for decks that use Wheel within a wheel to get our Angel under the Oak, it stops their search consistency. It won't mean you shut down their offense, but it's a perk.
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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2011, 02:09:10 PM »
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Angel with a Secret Name negates sites.
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Re: Ahimelek Brainstorm
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2011, 02:25:48 PM »
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Quote from: lightningninja on October 06, 2011, 02:02:47 PM
Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 06, 2011, 09:14:19 AM
How do you figure? Teal has Benedictus. What does Red/Purple have? Nazareth also only stops the 2-3 Samuel uses. No big deal if that gets shut down.
Do they run Benedictus? Even still, that's one turn. It also stops Angel Under the Oak from getting him out faster, and for decks that use Wheel within a wheel to get our Angel under the Oak, it stops their search consistency. It won't mean you shut down their offense, but it's a perk.
Whoops, definitely meant Angel under the Oak (using Wheel within a Wheel is overkill, IMO). Sammy still works due to:

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