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they were for one worshipping baby Jesus and giving him gifts and they didn't go back to herod a 2nd time afterwards

they were for one worshipping baby Jesus and giving him gifts and they didn't go back to herod a 2nd time afterwards

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but they were astrologers and sorcerers..........

lol
the ameliakite slave led David to his enemies whereabouts and he gets slapped the evil character icon. (BTW i'm not complaining.  i  love that card )

nope
hold on let me find the reference in Daniel

Daniel 5:11
the reference says Chaldeans, however the Magi and the Chaldeans are the same thing, persian magicians and astrologers, acording to persian history.......
and the Wise Men (magi) of the NT came from the east,, which at the time, would have been persia (or the same area as ancient persia)...
 
also astrologers would be the ones that interperet celestial events as spiritual significance......
Definition of an astrologer from Wikipedia:


"Typically an astrologer draws a horoscope for the time of an event, such as a person's birth, and interprets celestial points and their placements at the time of the event"

Note that the Magi is a unqiue hero not! generic. Which would be 90% of the reason it was printed a hero. (if they are generic I stand corrected  )

Astrology at that time could mean the Study of the Stars, not necessarily witchcraft. They studied the prophesies of the Messiah and understood them better than most at that time, which probably indicates they weren't servants of the devil.

lol
then why is the title "astrologers" always mixed in with sorcerers, magicians, and diviners?
i think God's trying to say there were evil
 

Schaef is correct

I suppose Pokemon is from the devil

You are also correct. 

Not necessarily. (Anyone back me up?)

Situational Satanism?

Quote from: Jack Skellington on April 17, 2009, 11:14:14 AM

lol
then why is the title "astrologers" always mixed in with sorcerers, magicians, and diviners?
i think Gods trying to say there were evil

I suppose Pokemon is from the devil too, as is Lord of the Rings and The Chronicles of Narnia.

wow
lol
thank goodness those are FANTASY.....
Are you saying that witchcraft isnt bad?

wow
lol
thank goodness those are FANTASY.....
Are you saying that witchcraft isnt bad?

I don't recall saying that. You'll have to quote that from one of my previous posts.

I mentioned "fantasy" because that was the basis of your argument for why the Magi were evil:

lol
then why is the title "astrologers" always mixed in with sorcerers, magicians, and diviners?

You will have to refresh my memory as to why astrologers from 1 BC were "always mixed with sorcerers" et al. Do you have a historical reference of some sort to support such a claim? I'm sure Watson would have some kind of evidence, other than "guilty by word association."

also
Zoroastrianism (IPA: /ˌzɔroʊˈæstriəˌnɪzəm/) is the religion and philosophy based on the teachings ascribed to the prophet Zoroaster, after whom the religion is named. The term Zoroastrianism is, in general usage, essentially synonymous with Mazdaism, i.e. the worship of Ahura Mazda, exalted by Zoroaster as the supreme divine authority.

a cult....

AND
another source linking magi with Chaldeans

Made famous by the account of the New Testament, by which the were said to have followed a start to the birth of the Christian Messiah, the Magi were priests of the Persian empire, who were renowned throughout antiquity for their knowledge of magic, astrology and alchemy. Thus, our own word for magic refers to the occult arts of the Magi

In truth, though, the Magi known to the Greek and Roman world, were not the same as the official priests of the Persian religion of Zoroastrianism, said to be founded by Zoroaster. For, when we compare the ideas that were attributed to the Magi by ancient writers, we find that they differed widely from what we know of the mainstream version of the religion, as found in its sacred scriptures, the Avesta.

Rather, it would appear that the Greeks had come into contact, not with priests of Zoroastrianism, but the notorious Magussaeans of Asia Minor, in what is now Turkey. These Magussaeans were Persian emigres that found their way to the region after it had come under Persian domination. Speaking the language of Aramaic, rather than Palahvi, they were unable to read their own scriptures in their original tongue, and thereby deviated from the faith.



Babylon
Basically, the cult of the Magussaeans was a combination of heretical Zoroastrianism and Babylonian astrology. When Cyrus the Great conquered the great city of Babylon in the sixth century BC, the Magi came into contact with the teachings of the city's astrologers, known as Chaldeans. According to Diodorus of Sicily, a Greek historian of 80 to 20 BC, and author of a universal history, Bibliotheca historica:

...being assigned to the service of the gods they spend their entire life in study, their greatest renown being in the field of astrology. But they occupy themselves largely with soothsaying as well, making predictions about future events, and in some cases by purifications, in others by sacrifices, and in others by some other charms they attempt to effect the averting of evil things and the fulfillment of the good. They are also skilled in the soothsaying by the flight of birds, and they give out interpretations of both dreams and portents. They also show marked ability in making divinations from the observations of the entrails of animals, deeming that in this branch they are eminently successful.

I find it humorous that your own quotes are the answer to your original question. I have bolded the relevant quotes:

In truth, though, the Magi known to the Greek and Roman world, were not the same as the official priests of the Persian religion of Zoroastrianism, said to be founded by Zoroaster. For, when we compare the ideas that were attributed to the Magi by ancient writers, we find that they differed widely from what we know of the mainstream version of the religion, as found in its sacred scriptures, the Avesta.

Rather, it would appear that the Greeks had come into contact, not with priests of Zoroastrianism, but the notorious Magussaeans of Asia Minor, in what is now Turkey. These Magussaeans were Persian emigres that found their way to the region after it had come under Persian domination. Speaking the language of Aramaic, rather than Palahvi, they were unable to read their own scriptures in their original tongue, and thereby deviated from the faith.

That distinction is evidenced by the Gospel account:

Matthew 2

1Now after Jesus was (A)born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of (B)Herod the king, [a]magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem, saying,
 2"Where is He who has been born (C)King of the Jews? For we saw (D)His star in the east and have come to worship Him."

 3When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.

 4Gathering together all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Messiah was to be born.

 5They said to him, "(E)In Bethlehem of Judea; for this is what has been written by the prophet:
    6'(F)AND YOU, BETHLEHEM, LAND OF JUDAH,
         ARE BY NO MEANS LEAST AMONG THE LEADERS OF JUDAH;
         FOR OUT OF YOU SHALL COME FORTH A RULER
         WHO WILL (G)SHEPHERD MY PEOPLE ISRAEL.'"

 7Then Herod secretly called the magi and determined from them the exact time (H)the star appeared.

 8And he sent them to Bethlehem and said, "Go and search carefully for the Child; and when you have found Him, report to me, so that I too may come and worship Him."

 9After hearing the king, they went their way; and the star, which they had seen in the east, went on before them until it came and stood over the place where the Child was.

 10When they saw the star, they rejoiced exceedingly with great joy.

 11After coming into the house they saw the Child with (I)Mary His mother; and they fell to the ground and (J)worshiped Him. Then, opening their treasures, they presented to Him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

 12And having been (K)warned by God (L)in a dream not to return to Herod, the magi left for their own country by another way.

I find it interesting that you believe sorcerers would "worship" the "King of the Jews." Furthermore, according to verse 12, you are suggesting that God speaks to sorcerers in their dreams to warn them about evil plots.