Author Topic: Redemption World Championship? (Read 9083 times)

kariusvega · « **on:** February 24, 2018, 09:51:33 AM »

When more countries begin to pick up Redemption, where, when, and how would you like to see a Redemption World Championship?

Maybe it could be a winter event to fill the current downtime between nationals and the next year?

I know there are Canadian, Australian, and German players here on the boards. Have you guys considered hosting a National Tournament in your country? What kind of incentives or constraints are you finding in regard to doing so?

Blessings,

Kor · « **Reply #1 on:** February 24, 2018, 11:34:58 AM »

Speaking as a Canadian, I'm not sure we would be allowed to host our own nationals, nor am I convinced that we should. I get that the word 'nationals' implies the championship for a specific country, but there just isn't a very large amount of players in Canada, and even those are likely very spread out. Here is a probably very outdated list of players from the boards:

Alberta, CANADA
demoncapturer
COUNTER_SNIPER (Josh H./Edmonton)

Manitoba, CANADA
darkvariant
TheraxC
The Big Ape
Kor
ChristianSoldier

And although I know there are quite a few players not listed on here, only 2 of the provinces even have any players listed, and that was from a time when the game was more popular. I know that our playgroup in Manitoba is still going well, we hosted a state tournament last year. Are there still players in other parts of the country? I assume there must be, but I don't know. Even if there are, they are a minimum 10 hour drive away.

Maybe a better step would be to allow us to host a regionals first? Maybe creating a few new regions for us so as to not deprive anyone? I know the north central region that we are technically a part of is probably one of the more active and has a lot of great and deserving host areas.

Are there any on the boards who would be willing to travel to Steinbach, Manitoba for a regional or nationals level tournament? It is only a 7 hour drive from Minneapolis.

Deck Metrics · « **Reply #2 on:** February 24, 2018, 12:33:17 PM »

Quote from: Kor on February 24, 2018, 11:34:58 AM

Speaking as a Canadian, I'm not sure we would be allowed to host our own nationals, nor am I convinced that we should. I get that the word 'nationals' implies the championship for a specific country, but there just isn't a very large amount of players in Canada, and even those are likely very spread out. Here is a probably very outdated list of players from the boards:

Alberta, CANADA
demoncapturer
COUNTER_SNIPER (Josh H./Edmonton)

Manitoba, CANADA
darkvariant
TheraxC
The Big Ape
Kor
ChristianSoldier

And although I know there are quite a few players not listed on here, only 2 of the provinces even have any players listed, and that was from a time when the game was more popular. I know that our playgroup in Manitoba is still going well, we hosted a state tournament last year. Are there still players in other parts of the country? I assume there must be, but I don't know. Even if there are, they are a minimum 10 hour drive away.

Maybe a better step would be to allow us to host a regionals first? Maybe creating a few new regions for us so as to not deprive anyone? I know the north central region that we are technically a part of is probably one of the more active and has a lot of great and deserving host areas.

Are there any on the boards who would be willing to travel to Steinbach, Manitoba for a regional or nationals level tournament? It is only a 7 hour drive from Minneapolis.

I'm going to root for Counter_Sniper.

Daniel · « **Reply #3 on:** February 24, 2018, 12:47:50 PM »

The biggest reason is that the number of players in those countries are in the single digits.

The Guardian · « **Reply #4 on:** February 24, 2018, 12:49:27 PM »

I would certainly drive 7 hours for a National level tournament, possibly even a regional.

redemption collector 777 is part of your group, right?

goalieking87 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 24, 2018, 01:01:32 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on February 24, 2018, 12:49:27 PM

I would certainly drive 7 hours for a National level tournament, possibly even a regional.

I would definitely consider this as well if timing worked out. Based on Justin’s estimate, I am about 11 hours away, but would probably be driving through Minnesota and pick up some players along the way and alternate driving.

I’m thinking about driving to TX this year for Nationals and that will be a much longer trip.

kariusvega · « **Reply #6 on:** February 24, 2018, 01:49:50 PM »

Sounds like a Canadian National Redemption Tournament could be coming!

Kor · « **Reply #7 on:** February 24, 2018, 02:03:07 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on February 24, 2018, 12:49:27 PM

I would certainly drive 7 hours for a National level tournament, possibly even a regional.

redemption collector 777 is part of your group, right?

Yes he is.

Kor · « **Reply #8 on:** February 24, 2018, 02:26:19 PM »

Quote from: Daniel on February 24, 2018, 12:47:50 PM

The biggest reason is that the number of players in those countries are in the single digits.

Well we have for sure double digits in Canada. But I'm guessing not triple digits. But that brings up an interesting question. How many active redemption players are there total?

The Guardian · « **Reply #9 on:** February 24, 2018, 02:44:47 PM »

It depends on your definition of "active." I know sales of the past two sets have been really strong so that would seem to indicate there's players out there, but the number of tournaments has gone down this year. I think one of Redemption's biggest needs is to grow its host-base.

Reth · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2018, 03:51:08 PM »

Hi there,

@kariusvega:
Nice to see you back here in action!

As Germany belongs: I just was informed yesterday about other players from Germany who will go more into the Game - so far just me and some friends of mine played very few occasional games.

Currently any kind of onsite tournaments would be out of question IMHO since we're only single digit and also here in Germany just only boosters from few sets as well as I/J + Gift Box starter decks can be ordered directly. Everything beyond we need to order from abroad with the appropriate shipping costs (depending on weight + origin country of buying + shipping company/logistics company). In addition when exceeding the current tax exemption limit you also have to pay import turnover tax.
This all in combination makes buying cards very expensive if you want to have them in huge amounts and also from the latest sets.

Hence things like ROOT IMHO are currently the best possibility for us to join some kind of tournaments (and even for these the different timezones are a big challenge here!).

Bye

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #11 on:** February 25, 2018, 03:03:08 AM »

As much as I'd like to be involved in the first Canadian Regional and National Redemption Tournaments, is there anything else involved with doing a tournament that big? Obviously it could just be a bigger tournament, especially if we start attracting players from south of the border, but is there anything unique to Regional or National level tournaments that I should know about (I am generally the guy that does the second most work around keeping our tournaments running smoothly).

Another thing to consider, if we were to host a regional or national tournament, we would be hosting it in a city that doesn't have an airport, I'm not sure if that would keep anyone from coming, but it is something to consider, the closest airport is about an hour's drive away (that's a one significant figure number, so don't quote me if your time varies).

While I'm guessing a Canadian National Tournament is a ways off, we have discussed asking about running Regional tournaments, either in addition to, or depending on scheduling/money alternating yearly with States. If people really are willing to come out to a Central Canadian (or whatever we call our region) Tournament, it could go a long ways to actually getting them off the ground, and we'd love the competition and the chance to be more connected with the wider Redemption community.

And as for numbers, how many people played in the early National Tournaments? Even if we can't get enough to run a modern National Tournament, we would have to start somewhere.

The Guardian · « **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2018, 03:27:29 AM »

If Rob is on board, I would start with a Regional this year and hopefully it will grow enough to consider a Canadian Nationals in the next couple of years.

I would definitely try to make a Regionals and would likely try to bring a group of at least a couple more people as well.

jbeers285 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 25, 2018, 08:08:37 AM »

I havn't lived super close to a Canadian boarder in about 15 years. It used to be that you could cross the boarder with a ID or DL. Is that still the case? I seem to remember hearing you need a passport to cross now. That could be a hinderance for anyone that doesn't have a passport.

Cnakeeyes · « **Reply #14 on:** February 25, 2018, 09:06:33 AM »

If I recall correctly my grand parents who cross the border to Canada for faster travelling from MI to N.Y. to visit my aunt said all you need is a smart ID or passport. Smart IDs are a bit more expensive then the normal drivers license.

Gabe · « **Reply #15 on:** February 25, 2018, 09:59:31 AM »

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Entry into Canada: Canadian law requires that all persons entering Canada carry both proof of citizenship and proof of identity. A valid U.S. passport, passport card, or NEXUS card satisfies these requirements for U.S. citizens.

It takes a little time to get these official documents so planning ahead is required.

I would love to see Redemption grow in other countries enough to support National tournaments outside the US. I don't believe that the current numbers support it, even if a small portion of people from the US travel there. It's possible there could be more from the US than from Canada if a Nationals is held there. There doesn't seem right.

Our current National Tournament is labeled in a way that makes it sound like it's only for the US. I imagine the name was decided before there was even a player base (or at least known player base) in other countries. But it really serves as a World Tournament based on the current size of the game. I'm pretty sure I've seen our friends from the north (Canada) at every Nationals I've attended.

This raises the question, what can we do to help the game grow both in the US and abroad?

NathanW · « **Reply #16 on:** February 25, 2018, 02:49:04 PM »

I think one of the major things that prevents growth is the cost to get into the game whether buying single cards or packs.

Red Wing · « **Reply #17 on:** February 25, 2018, 02:55:33 PM »

Quote from: tripleplayNa1 on February 25, 2018, 02:49:04 PM

I think one of the major things that prevents growth is the cost to get into the game whether buying single cards or packs.

I highly doubt that considering Redemption is much cheaper than almost every other CCG in existence. You could probably put a relatively competitive deck together in $100 or less.

Reth · « **Reply #18 on:** February 25, 2018, 03:08:24 PM »

For me here in Germany prices are not the problem - I for myself do not find it expensive in terms of starters or older boosters. But the availability is very limited here.
And newer boosters in Germany from e.g. CoW are the latest ones available at one online store having prices which are more costly then ordering severals of them from the US including shipping costs (e.g. these boosters cost USD 7,37 [converted] plus USD 3,69 shipping cost [converted] if order does not contain a book or stays below USD 24,60 [converted] - when comparing this to the costs I have to pay including shipping when ordering boosters incl. RoJ from some US resellers I do get them cheaper from them).

I already asked several online stores, general ones or those which are specialized in games or even TCGs. But they are not able to provide our cards not even from their wholesalers (which is understandable considering the efforts and the potential customer base). In addition I also provided the wholesale contact of Cactus website to several online stores with no other result. So all in all - not yet existing community and availability of cards are our problems here (regarding the community I also already tried several things amongst my friends, online fora for TCGs/CCGs and our church without any countable success yet).

The Guardian · « **Reply #19 on:** February 25, 2018, 04:34:39 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on February 25, 2018, 02:55:33 PM

Quote from: tripleplayNa1 on February 25, 2018, 02:49:04 PM
I think one of the major things that prevents growth is the cost to get into the game whether buying single cards or packs.
I highly doubt that considering Redemption is much cheaper than almost every other CCG in existence. You could probably put a relatively competitive deck together in $100 or less.

I would say CoW and RoJ have bumped up the "competitive deck" price a bit (mainly due to TSC and Woes), but even those are not absolutely necessary.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #20 on:** February 25, 2018, 04:37:25 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on February 25, 2018, 04:34:39 PM

Quote from: Red Wing on February 25, 2018, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: tripleplayNa1 on February 25, 2018, 02:49:04 PM
I think one of the major things that prevents growth is the cost to get into the game whether buying single cards or packs.
I highly doubt that considering Redemption is much cheaper than almost every other CCG in existence. You could probably put a relatively competitive deck together in $100 or less.

I would say CoW and RoJ have bumped up the "competitive deck" price a bit (mainly due to TSC and Woes), but even those are not absolutely necessary.

Obligatory mention of this thread

JonathanW · « **Reply #21 on:** February 25, 2018, 04:41:59 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on February 25, 2018, 04:34:39 PM

Quote from: Red Wing on February 25, 2018, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: tripleplayNa1 on February 25, 2018, 02:49:04 PM
I think one of the major things that prevents growth is the cost to get into the game whether buying single cards or packs.
I highly doubt that considering Redemption is much cheaper than almost every other CCG in existence. You could probably put a relatively competitive deck together in $100 or less.

I would say CoW and RoJ have bumped up the "competitive deck" price a bit (mainly due to TSC and Woes), but even those are not absolutely necessary.

They are if you're trying to play competitively. TSC directly contributes to your win condition when used to search for SoG and Three Woes fits in 95% of decks. Only drawback of using TSC is if you can't search your discard pile because of something like signet ring. Of course you can counter all of those counters with... guess what.... Three woes!

NathanW · « **Reply #22 on:** February 25, 2018, 04:55:13 PM »

Quote from: Red Wing on February 25, 2018, 02:55:33 PM

Quote from: tripleplayNa1 on February 25, 2018, 02:49:04 PM
I think one of the major things that prevents growth is the cost to get into the game whether buying single cards or packs.
I highly doubt that considering Redemption is much cheaper than almost every other CCG in existence. You could probably put a relatively competitive deck together in $100 or less.

Saying that Redemption is "much cheaper than almost every other CCG in existence" has nothing to do with the cost being a problem for new players to get into the game (and it is actually more expensive if you look at the per card cost from random packs)

The Guardian · « **Reply #23 on:** February 25, 2018, 04:58:17 PM »

What do you feel would be a reasonable cost for someone to "get into the game"?

NathanW · « **Reply #24 on:** February 25, 2018, 05:00:35 PM »

I have a feeling this might get into another discussion derailing the original. hmmm perhaps a new thread is needed.

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Author Topic: Redemption World Championship? (Read 9083 times)

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