Author Topic: Redemption Hall of Fame voting for 2009 (Read 48433 times)

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #175 on:** February 02, 2010, 12:34:02 PM »

Quote from: The Roc_1217 on February 02, 2010, 10:20:30 AM

My votes go to Justin Alstad and Chris Bany. I agree, there should be a section for retired players.

You actually get to vote for 2 players and 2 contributors. As for retired players, I hope that the people who feel strongly about it will therefore vote for players who are retired (as several people have already done).

uthminister [BR] · « **Reply #176 on:** February 02, 2010, 01:42:50 PM »

I believe in giving honor where honor is due, however in this instance, the people who "deserve" honor are those who are serving and giving in the context of Redemption. I don't think that we should have a hall of fame so to speak since the national tournament winners and the RNRS winners pretty much make up a list of whose who in Redemption. I think that we should consider Romans 12, especially in regards to thinking of ourselve more highly than we ought to. I love you guys and Prof, I know you are wanting to do this to encourage and admonish your fellow gamers but I don't think that is what it looks like from the outside looking in. It just looks like a bunch of Christians patting each other on the back for playing a Christian game in a Christian context...which is not what going into all the world looks like to me.

Peace...

STAMP · « **Reply #177 on:** February 02, 2010, 01:55:22 PM »

Quote from: uthminister [BR] on February 02, 2010, 01:42:50 PM

I believe in giving honor where honor is due, however in this instance, the people who "deserve" honor are those who are serving and giving in the context of Redemption. I don't think that we should have a hall of fame so to speak since the national tournament winners and the RNRS winners pretty much make up a list of whose who in Redemption. I think that we should consider Romans 12, especially in regards to thinking of ourselve more highly than we ought to. I love you guys and Prof, I know you are wanting to do this to encourage and admonish your fellow gamers but I don't think that is what it looks like from the outside looking in. It just looks like a bunch of Christians patting each other on the back for playing a Christian game in a Christian context...which is not what going into all the world looks like to me.

Peace...

Hmmm...interesting. Maybe it would be more appropriate to have something along the lines of a Hall of Found? People who have been saved during the time they are involved in the game? It doesn't necessarily mean that the game was directly involved, but maybe provided an impact to their life no matter how small.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #178 on:** February 02, 2010, 02:22:35 PM »

Players:
Justin Alstad - If memory serves he perfected speed freak, and even if I don't like the deck itself it made a MAJOR impact on the game.

Contributers:
Rob - Obvious reasons
Reyzen - Though we don't always see eye to eye he has contributed alot include helping RLKs make it to nats.

SirNobody · « **Reply #179 on:** February 02, 2010, 04:05:41 PM »

Hey,

Quote from: TechnoEthicist on February 02, 2010, 09:41:44 AM

As such: my vote goes to Keith Bartram, who at my first local showed me why Wall of Protection was horribly needed after the release of Warriors as he decimated my deck within 10 minutes (and began my disdain of FBTN ).

Ooh, someone that has played against Keith in a tournament. Do you remember when that tournament was? Anything else you remember about Keith that you can tell us/me? (Keith is one of the people in Redemption's history that I know least about.)

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #180 on:** February 02, 2010, 05:23:58 PM »

Quote from: uthminister [BR] on February 02, 2010, 01:42:50 PM

the national tournament winners and the RNRS winners pretty much make up a list of whose who in Redemption.

One could say the same thing about HoF's in other sports. World Series and Superbowl rings and MVP awards already go to top players. And yet there is still a Baseball, Football, and Basketball HoF.

Quote from: STAMP on February 02, 2010, 01:55:22 PM

Maybe it would be more appropriate to have something along the lines of a Hall of Found?

I do appreciate this idea from Travis and you. However, we already have a testimonial section of the forum. It can be found here. But after 15 years of our game, no one has started a HoF yet. These ideas aren't mutually exclusive. I personally think having both is a great idea.

Isildur · « **Reply #181 on:** February 02, 2010, 11:01:07 PM »

Contributers:
Bryon: Showed me to the game has hosted too many tourneys to count and has been playtesting for ages.

Rob: Well he made the game :p Rob is also a great guy and it been great to know him.

Players: Id like to not vote for this part.

Thanks!

uthminister [BR] · « **Reply #182 on:** February 03, 2010, 09:07:17 AM »

That's cool, I was just giving my input as requested. I think that putting Redemption in the category of sports like Baseball, Football, etc. is a bit overboard, but I get the point. We could do like MTG and print cards with players on them as a way of inducting them into the HoF...JK. How about allowing national tournament winners to create a card with the help and approval of current card creators, that will be printed in the following year's set...I actually do like this idea. At least by doing that there will be some tangible way to remember those who won instead of having to drag up an old Bany spreadsheet to see who won. I just think unless we are building the Redemption HoF on your school's campus Prof, one list in one place online is no more important than another list in another place online FWIW.

Master KChief · « **Reply #183 on:** February 03, 2010, 09:36:00 AM »

Quote from: uthminister [BR] on February 03, 2010, 09:07:17 AM

That's cool, I was just giving my input as requested. I think that putting Redemption in the category of sports like Baseball, Football, etc. is a bit overboard, but I get the point. We could do like MTG and print cards with players on them as a way of inducting them into the HoF...JK. How about allowing national tournament winners to create a card with the help and approval of current card creators, that will be printed in the following year's set...I actually do like this idea. At least by doing that there will be some tangible way to remember those who won instead of having to drag up an old Bany spreadsheet to see who won. I just think unless we are building the Redemption HoF on your school's campus Prof, one list in one place online is no more important than another list in another place online FWIW.

i've been asking for this for years.

Sean · « **Reply #184 on:** February 03, 2010, 09:48:17 AM »

Quote

I think that putting Redemption in the category of sports like Baseball, Football, etc. is a bit overboard, but I get the point

We wouldn't even be having this discussion if those sports didn't have a Hall of Fame. The comparison is not between Redemption and football. The comparison is between the Halls of Fame of each, what the hall signifies for Redemption is the same that it signifies for the NFL. The NFL is obviously on a bigger scale, nobody is arguing that. When you see anything called "Hall of Fame" you immediately think that you are going to see the best of the best. You also think of how hard it is to be voted in to such a place. This list is being called a Hall of Fame and yet the precedence set by the Halls of Fame for those sports is pretty much ignored.

crustpope · « **Reply #185 on:** February 03, 2010, 10:50:07 AM »

Anderson and Gray - Anderson is a no brainer and should be an automatic...and Doug Gray is a very close second. His art graces more cards than any other person that I know of, He has hosted tournaments (including a Nats) and ran 3 lions gaming for a very long time. Other than Rob, I cant think of anyother person who has done more to contribute to the game than Doug Gray.

Kimmons and Sias - Speaking striclty from a position that Nats is the ultimate proving ground, these guys are the top. There is no question about it. They may not have RNRS, but they have the trophies.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #186 on:** February 03, 2010, 11:14:12 AM »

Quote from: uthminister [BR] on February 03, 2010, 09:07:17 AM

We could ... print cards with players on them as a way of inducting them into the HoF

I personally think this is a great idea. However, this would have to be something that Rob would have to decide to do. I obviously have no ability to print official Redemption cards

Quote from: uthminister [BR] on February 03, 2010, 09:07:17 AM

one list in one place online is no more important than another list in another place online FWIW.

This is also true. People are welcome to ignore this little project, and write it off as a meaningless collection of posts. I think that some people are enjoying the idea of being able to give recognition to the best of the best (in their opinions), and to bring back to mind some players from yesteryear who have been almost forgotten. If some people don't like my method of doing that, then I respect their opinion.

P.S. Thanks to those of you who continue to cast your votes

Master KChief · « **Reply #187 on:** February 03, 2010, 11:29:17 AM »

i think he was kidding about the player cards...its cheesy enough cracking a player card in every single mtg booster, it'd be even cheesier for redemption.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #188 on:** February 03, 2010, 12:13:08 PM »

Actually, I think we've already implemented that Idea.

I mean Gabe's won twice - he's got two cards

I guess everyboyd else is just losing out.

SirNobody · « **Reply #189 on:** February 03, 2010, 12:38:34 PM »

Hey,

Quote from: uthminister [BR] on February 03, 2010, 09:07:17 AM

At least by doing that there will be some tangible way to remember those who won instead of having to drag up an old Bany spreadsheet to see who won.

You mean you don't have all of the past nationals winners memorized?

Quote from: crustpope on February 03, 2010, 10:50:07 AM

They may not have RNRS, but they have the trophies.

Actually, they don't have many trophies. Most of their national titles were won before we started giving out trophies to nationals winners.

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on February 03, 2010, 12:13:08 PM

Actually, I think we've already implemented that Idea.

I mean Gabe's won twice - he's got two cards

Does that mean Buzz Lightyear won nationals in 2003?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #190 on:** February 03, 2010, 02:58:36 PM »

Quote from: SirNobody on February 03, 2010, 12:38:34 PM

Hey,

Quote from: uthminister [BR] on February 03, 2010, 09:07:17 AM
At least by doing that there will be some tangible way to remember those who won instead of having to drag up an old Bany spreadsheet to see who won.

You mean you don't have all of the past nationals winners memorized?

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on February 03, 2010, 12:13:08 PM
Actually, I think we've already implemented that Idea.

I mean Gabe's won twice - he's got two cards

Does that mean Buzz Lightyear won nationals in 2003?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

HAHAHAHAHA. that. was. amazing. I've never heard Michael being compared to Buzz Lightyear, but now that you mention it...

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #191 on:** February 03, 2010, 03:38:18 PM »

Jar Jar Binks won it, I thought.

uthminister [BR] · « **Reply #192 on:** February 04, 2010, 11:02:23 AM »

If I were to cast my votes however...I would agree with all four of Crustpope's votes...

crustpope · « **Reply #193 on:** February 04, 2010, 02:47:11 PM »

Quote from: uthminister [BR] on February 04, 2010, 11:02:23 AM

If I were to cast my votes however...I would agree with all four of Crustpope's votes...

Thanks, Personally I think it is hard to make a stronger case for anyone else than those four. (aside from Tim's semantics about the absence of a PHYSICAL trophy).

We judge baseball players by world series rings, we judge football players by superbowl rings, we judge basketball players by NBA Finals rings...Titles are where it is all said and done. If you can do it on a thousand smaller stages but you cant do it on the biggest stage, then frankly it doesn't really count.

Ask Peyton Manning about who is the greatest QB of all time. Montana and Brady still get figured into the conversation simply because they have mor Rings, even though Peyton has destroyed them in the stat book.

Then ask that question Monday morning and see if it makes a difference when you have 2 superbowl rings...

Professoralstad · « **Reply #194 on:** February 04, 2010, 03:05:02 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on February 04, 2010, 02:47:11 PM

[Ask Peyton Manning about who is the greatest QB of all time. Montana and Brady still get figured into the conversation simply because they have mor Rings, even though Peyton has destroyed them in the stat book.

And yet Dan Marino, with his zero rings, is in the hall of fame, and is always in the conversation of greatest ever QB's.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #195 on:** February 04, 2010, 03:35:52 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on February 04, 2010, 02:47:11 PM

Quote from: uthminister [BR] on February 04, 2010, 11:02:23 AM
If I were to cast my votes however...I would agree with all four of Crustpope's votes...
Thanks, Personally I think it is hard to make a stronger case for anyone else than those four. (aside from Tim's semantics about the absence of a PHYSICAL trophy).

Gray is the only one I would firmly disagree with. Bany has ran Covenant Games forever, and has helped host almost every national tournament. he also has been the main host a few times. using your stats, Bany has done all Gray has and more. don't forget that he is a center of starting redemption in one of the most dominant states right now.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #196 on:** February 04, 2010, 03:39:54 PM »

Plus, he bands your mom into battle and something about his daughter.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #197 on:** February 04, 2010, 04:45:24 PM »

Just a reminder to everyone, if you are going to say more than simply who you are voting for, please keep it positive

P.S. Thanks to those of you who continue to let us know who you think deserves it most. Voting will probably finish this weekend, so get your votes in while you can. Check this post for candidates.

STAMP · « **Reply #198 on:** February 04, 2010, 04:49:51 PM »

Quote from: crustpope on February 04, 2010, 02:47:11 PM

We judge baseball players by world series rings, we judge football players by superbowl rings, we judge basketball players by NBA Finals rings...Titles are where it is all said and done. If you can do it on a thousand smaller stages but you cant do it on the biggest stage, then frankly it doesn't really count.

Ernie Banks is so thankful that "We" don't vote.

Quote from: crustpope on February 04, 2010, 02:47:11 PM

Then ask that question Monday morning and see if it makes a difference when you have 2 superbowl rings...

I already warned one fan base earlier in the season about their QB and we saw what happened.

I thought it was ironic that in the Bible the number 12 is a good thing, but in ...

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #199 on:** February 04, 2010, 05:04:40 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on February 04, 2010, 04:45:24 PM

Just a reminder to everyone, if you are going to say more than simply who you are voting for, please keep it positive

I guess I kind of didn't write my post very well. I wasn't meaning to put Gray down, I was just saying that Bany has him beat. Gray definitely deserves to be in the HoF, eventually, but not yet.

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