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I like how Raven voted for the guys he knew.

several of the guys listed i know of:
gabe, justin,rob, doug, bany, andtim maly
i vote for all those guys

but yes, 4.

Hey,

Generally the people inducted into a hall of fame are voted on by a select group of voters rather than by the general public.  That is something we could consider, although I think it would mostly defeat the point of this thread.

Perhaps players could list all of the players on the list that they have been exposed to and then vote for two out of that subset of the list.  The "winners" would then be those that were voted for by the greatest percentage of people that were exposed to them.  That way Joshua Hey's chances to be selected wouldn't be hindered by the fact that 85% of active players have never attended a tournament he was at.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Quote from: Ring Wraith on December 28, 2009, 09:54:25 AM

I like how Raven voted for the guys he knew

And this is truly different than how most people have been voting? I would guess that the vast majority of votes cast were for candidates known by the voter, which is precisely why Hall of Fames do not vote in active players. Proximity is the bias that is difficult to avoid in these situations.

but only the guys he knew. so everybody he knew on the list, he voted for. I guess I should have said "I like how Raven voted for everybody that he knew."

Generally the people inducted into a hall of fame are voted on by a select group of voters rather than by the general public.

This is a good point.  I'm trying to balance things a bit by putting up a list of people who all seem to be deserving and then let the general public vote.  That gives everyone a voice, while also not letting a local playgroup of 20 guys to get their person in there.

If you limit membership to four starters and then two per year thereafter, we won't clear out the current list until 2014

This is also a good point.  Perhaps, we should elect 4 per year.  The problem is that Redemption has been going for 15 years, and there's probably only about 30 people total that the majority would agree deserve to be in a HoF.  If we vote in too many each year, then we will reach a point in the future where the people voted in might not match up with the earlier inductees.

LOL, I'm not sure if Prof Underwood knows about TKP.

I am aware of The Krazy People and their infamous shenanigans

Votes and stories...

Finally someone else with stories.  Thanks for contributing.

It's not an official thing with Cactus it's a REALLY COOL thing Prof Underwood did by himself.

Thanks for the props, and understanding

if we eliminate active players from consideration only three of the sixteen names on Prof's list would still be eligible

Which is why I am not using that limitation.  I will limit it to people who have been playing for at least 3 years though.

Hey,

Having played seven of the eight players on the list (or six of the eight if I don't count myself) I'm in a unique position to evaluate the talent of the various individuals.  I'd like to share some experiences and statistics about the various people on the list as per Prof Underwood's desire.  I'll post my comments about each player in a separate post (I'll probably post about 1 per day for the rest of the week).

Tschow,

Tim “Sir Nobody” Maly

Joshua Hey (2001-2004) –

Contrary to Prof Underwood's description, Joshua Hey actually played more Type 1 in his career than he did Type 2.  His 2-player category of choice was Type 1 for all but the last year that he played.  While Quadrate introduced the win before you lose side of speed, and Justin popularized the draw like a mad fool side of speed, Joshua Hey was the first to combine the two into the sort of speed deck that is so popular today.  You could say that Joshua Hey was the link between Quadrate and Justin in the progression of the speed deck over the years.

Statistics:

At Nationals 2004, Joshua Hey placed 1st in T2-MP, 1st in T2-2P and 3rd in T1-MP making him one of only three people to have ever placed in three different categories in the same national tournament.

Joshua Hey is one of only three players to have placed in all four open categories at nationals.

Between Nationals 2003 and Nationals 2004 Joshua Hey placed in five events winning three of them.

Joshua Hey was 4th in lifetime RNRS points in 2004 when he quit playing Redemption.

Anecdote:

I played Joshua Hey in T1-2P at Nationals in 2002.  It was the second to last round, he was in 4th place and I was in 5th place going into the game.  The game was moving along when a ruling question came up.  We called over a judge who ruled incorrectly (I had read the exact rule in the REG a week earlier so I was quite sure what the ruling should be) so I appealed to Rob.  Rob wasn't sure on the ruling so we were told to continue as ruled and Rob went to look and see if he could find the rule in the REG.  Ten minutes later we were informed that they found the ruling in the REG and the ruling that was made had indeed been incorrect.  The game ended up a 5-4 win for him, with the incorrect ruling appearing to be the deciding factor.  Joshua Hey admitted to Rob that he would not have won the game if the ruling had been made correctly and very graciously accepted a reversal in the games final score which effectively ended his chances of winning nationals (with the win he would have been sitting in 2nd place half a point behind the leader and headed for a final round game with Keith that would have determined the winner of the event).

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Quote from: Sean on December 23, 2009, 12:47:54 AM

LOL, I'm not sure if Prof Underwood knows about TKP.

I am aware of The Krazy People and their infamous shenanigans

I'm not aware of any group named The Krazy People. there is, however, a group named The Karazy People.

we need to make cards for these guys like mtg does.

02 Was MN, 03 Was Pittsburg.

yuh, we all were. it was long ago, i just remember it being held in a gymnasium...bleachers...and a big michael cutout chris bany made where you could put your face in it and get your pic taken. heh, nostalgia.

The fact that Keith Bartram has not yet been mentioned in this thread proves the bias towards contemporary players. 

Finally someone agrees with me. 

hey,

I would like to propose either a special vote or an automatic induction:
- For this first year only
- Reserved for Rob Anderson
- In addition to the other 2 votes regarding Contributor and Player

I have 3 more nominations that I haven't seen mentioned here, but I will save them for the 2010 nomination process.

L8er,
Gil