Author Topic: Rankings...? (Read 14520 times)

The Guardian · « **Reply #50 on:** August 30, 2018, 11:01:39 PM »

MB is Manitoba (Canada).

Ron Sias has always been a good player and was the one who first designed arguably the most powerful T2 combo deck ever. He won several National titles in the early years of the National tournament, but his last Nationals win was in 2009 (T2 MP at California Nats). Unfortunately he doesn't get to many tournaments besides Nationals.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #51 on:** August 31, 2018, 05:37:21 AM »

Quote from: The Schaefer on August 24, 2018, 05:22:19 PM

Its like fantasy football rankings. Theyre never accurate but they try to get close and often are pretty decent at it.

Great idea! We should do Fantasy Redemption for Nationals next year. Assign every player a guesstimated value and give folks a certain number of points to draft their fantasy Redemption team. So for example:

1) You must have five players on your team
2) You have 10 points to spend
3) Player ratings go from 1 (e.g., Joe RLK) to 6 (e.g., John "Reigning Champeen" Earley)

So if you pick a six-pointer your other four players have to be one pointers. You get points for how well each member of your team finishes.

This would be so much fun.

You set the player ratings they same way Fan Duel or whatever sets theirs. You start with a guess and then as people select teams you modify the ratings and iterate. In the end the final draft value as worlds start is a pretty fair estimate of how the community ranks that player.

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #52 on:** September 02, 2018, 03:23:48 PM »

I would imagine the comment of upsetting people had to do with a lack of diversity in top decks. I can't really argue his point, that I am completely making up, so who knows. But I would say there is a perfect counter to this statement. Both two player categories won with speed, throne, and choose the blocker, if that is his point then that is true, but last year CoL won in t1 and purple brown won in t2 I believe, I already forgot if Josiah or whoever won last year sorry, but that's what he was running and he has two titles in t2, so I believe that's correct. Anyway, I don't see too much of a major flaw, maybe lack of players and attendance, but that hopefully is an outlier for just this year. Overall, the game is amazing and there are tons of strategies although I do believe more attendance means more diversified decks and opening up t2 for t1 players and vice-versa gives more competition and more deck strategies.
Also, Ron Sias is a legend in his own right and one of the most dedicated players in Redemption so great pick. As for top 5 in recent, he has been too busy, but top 5 of for the first ten years of Redemption, now you're on to something.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #53 on:** September 02, 2018, 07:44:45 PM »

10. Rankings
9. are
8. meaningless
7. because
6. everyone
5. has
4. strengths
3. and
2. weaknesses
1. Andrew Wester

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #54 on:** September 02, 2018, 11:19:19 PM »

Quote from: Mr.Hiatus on September 02, 2018, 03:23:48 PM

I would imagine the comment of upsetting people had to do with a lack of diversity in top decks. I can't really argue his point, that I am completely making up, so who knows. But I would say there is a perfect counter to this statement. Both two player categories won with speed, throne, and choose the blocker, if that is his point then that is true, but last year CoL won in t1 and purple brown won in t2 I believe, I already forgot if Josiah or whoever won last year sorry, but that's what he was running and he has two titles in t2, so I believe that's correct. Anyway, I don't see too much of a major flaw, maybe lack of players and attendance, but that hopefully is an outlier for just this year. Overall, the game is amazing and there are tons of strategies although I do believe more attendance means more diversified decks and opening up t2 for t1 players and vice-versa gives more competition and more deck strategies.
Also, Ron Sias is a legend in his own right and one of the most dedicated players in Redemption so great pick. As for top 5 in recent, he has been too busy, but top 5 of for the first ten years of Redemption, now you're on to something.

IMO most years there have been a couple decks that pre-Nats are all debateably the best decks then post-Nats it's generally pretty obvious what the single best deck is. This year it at least felt like there was a ton more diversity in potential top tier decks pre-Nats and while Throne with a CtB focus seems to objectively be the best I still believe Party belongs in the same tier especially since Throne has received significantly more tuning than Party. If this meta were to last a while I would not be surprised to see a build of Party overtake Throne as the "best" deck. All in all this year feels more diverse both pre and post Nats than previous years so it appears card design is leading the meta in the right direction.

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #55 on:** June 15, 2019, 06:15:25 PM »

I know I am bringing back up an old thread but I do love these conversations especially since this one died out before nationals last year, and we are gearing up for the middle of the competitive season now. Jay and I were talking today about where does Tim Maly rank all time. I did some digging because my point was easily a top ten but not a top 5 anymore due to just life in general for him and Britta and because he has not been able to play like he used to which recency bias ends up trumping. I also think that since Tim stopped playing competitively, Gabe, Josiah, Brian, and others have all gone on to win/rank multiple times which potentially could move Tim down. Man I feel like I am bashing Tim, I'm sorry Tim!

Josiah started up the HoF voting back in 2017 I believe but I am not sure if it was ever completed. Mark Underwood had a comment about how he was surprised that he did not get nominated and this goes back to recency bias, which is true for everything just about. I also would say that Mark has done an immense amount for the game, just like John Michalinsdvksjbesyn. (Michalyzsyn?) The NFL has two separate categories for players and contributors and I would think John and Mark, both being great players with immense longevity, would easily be first ballot HoF'er's in the contributing aspect.

I also wanted to revive this sort of conversation because I was looking for updated RNRS totals and all I could find was the 2016 article by none other than...Tim Maly. So do we have an updated HoF and RNRS totals?

The Guardian · « **Reply #56 on:** June 15, 2019, 09:18:59 PM »

I have the Lifetime RNRS totals spreadsheet with everything up through last year's Nationals. I'll plan to update with this year's and have it at Nationals to update with Nationals results.

Ironically, Britta actually plays more than Tim does now...

Red · « **Reply #57 on:** June 15, 2019, 09:22:40 PM »

Gabe
John
Josiah
Tim
Justin (because no T1 at Nationals, tops my T2 List)
Keith Bartram
Tyler Stevens
Matt Townsend
JD
Clift Crysel/Ron Sias/Jordan Alstad tie

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #58 on:** June 15, 2019, 09:32:50 PM »

Justin can you post a link to that please?

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #59 on:** June 16, 2019, 10:15:34 AM »

Quote from: The Guardian on June 15, 2019, 09:18:59 PM

I have the Lifetime RNRS totals spreadsheet with everything up through last year's Nationals. I'll plan to update with this year's and have it at Nationals to update with Nationals results.

Ironically, Britta actually plays more than Tim does now...

Yes she is a very respectful player and consequently expects the same! Don't band to her Evil Characters, she gets mad!

Quote from: Red on June 15, 2019, 09:22:40 PM

Gabe
John
Josiah
Tim
Justin (because no T1 at Nationals, tops my T2 List)
Keith Bartram
Tyler Stevens
Matt Townsend
JD
Clift Crysel/Ron Sias/Jordan Alstad tie

You tried!

In no particular order... I tried to include all pioneers of the game that are the best players also.

Gabe
John E.
Josiah
Tim
Jordan A.
John Nesfeder
JDS
JD
Tim Mierz.
Brian Hake/Chris Bany/ Keith B/ Kevin Shride

Clift, Tyler S., Daniel H., Johnathon A., Jayden, and Martin Miller I could fit in here depending on my mood. Jay, Kevin, and I are rising stars!

Red · « **Reply #60 on:** June 16, 2019, 05:47:39 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on June 16, 2019, 10:15:34 AM

Quote from: The Guardian on June 15, 2019, 09:18:59 PM
I have the Lifetime RNRS totals spreadsheet with everything up through last year's Nationals. I'll plan to update with this year's and have it at Nationals to update with Nationals results.

Ironically, Britta actually plays more than Tim does now...

Yes she is a very respectful player and consequently expects the same! Don't band to her Evil Characters, she gets mad!

Quote from: Red on June 15, 2019, 09:22:40 PM
Gabe
John
Josiah
Tim
Justin (because no T1 at Nationals, tops my T2 List)
Keith Bartram
Tyler Stevens
Matt Townsend
JD
Clift Crysel/Ron Sias/Jordan Alstad tie

You tried!

In no particular order... I tried to include all pioneers of the game that are the best players also.

Gabe
John E.
Josiah
Tim
Jordan A.
John Nesfeder
JDS
JD
Tim Mierz.
Brian Hake/Chris Bany/ Keith B/ Kevin Shride

Clift, Tyler S., Daniel H., Johnathon A., Jayden, and Martin Miller I could fit in here depending on my mood. Jay, Kevin, and I are rising stars!

I'm actually kind of interested in your inclusion of Tim Mierz. I feel Keith B. at least should trump him. JDS was in contention for my list, but I certainly think Tyler Stevens/Eric Largent tie might be more impactful on the history of the game due to T2 accomplishments. John Nesferder is the absolute most underrated player in Redemption history IMO.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #61 on:** June 16, 2019, 06:38:07 PM »

Quote from: Red on June 16, 2019, 05:47:39 PM

I'm actually kind of interested in your inclusion of Tim Mierz. I feel Keith B. at least should trump him. JDS was in contention for my list, but I certainly think Tyler Stevens/Eric Largent tie might be more impactful on the history of the game due to T2 accomplishments. John Nesferder is the absolute most underrated player in Redemption history IMO.

Jerome Beers would argue with you

Mr.Hiatus · « **Reply #62 on:** June 16, 2019, 08:03:09 PM »

Jerome Beers wouldn't argue lol but I agree with your point. Regardless of the standings I am merely looking for the link to the total RNRS updated rankings.

The Guardian · « **Reply #63 on:** June 16, 2019, 09:54:33 PM »

Quote from: Mr.Hiatus on June 16, 2019, 08:03:09 PM

Jerome Beers wouldn't argue lol but I agree with your point. Regardless of the standings I am merely looking for the link to the total RNRS updated rankings.

I don't think I actually have it posted anywhere. I'll message Gabe about putting on LoR.

Red · « **Reply #64 on:** June 17, 2019, 05:24:21 AM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on June 16, 2019, 06:38:07 PM

Quote from: Red on June 16, 2019, 05:47:39 PM
I'm actually kind of interested in your inclusion of Tim Mierz. I feel Keith B. at least should trump him. JDS was in contention for my list, but I certainly think Tyler Stevens/Eric Largent tie might be more impactful on the history of the game due to T2 accomplishments. John Nesferder is the absolute most underrated player in Redemption history IMO.

Jerome Beers would argue with you

Good point, although MKC is and was always crazy underrated while I've been active.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #65 on:** June 17, 2019, 09:36:35 AM »

Quote from: Red on June 16, 2019, 05:47:39 PM

Quote from: TheHobbit on June 16, 2019, 10:15:34 AM

Clift, Tyler S., Daniel H., Johnathon A., Jayden, and Martin Miller I could fit in here depending on my mood. Jay, Kevin, and I are rising stars!
I'm actually kind of interested in your inclusion of Tim Mierz. I feel Keith B. at least should trump him. JDS was in contention for my list, but I certainly think Tyler Stevens/Eric Largent tie might be more impactful on the history of the game due to T2 accomplishments. John Nesferder is the absolute most underrated player in Redemption history IMO.

1. My list is in no particular order.
2. You read about as carefully as I understand what I say!

This started out as a T1 list, which explains the exclusion of Justin A.'; however, but it does not really explain the inclusion of Brian Hake or Bany.
3. My list is biased and catered toward my personal experience. Bad players are bad---> I am a bad player-->Tyler S. is a great player---> I have never lost to Tyler S.
4. Tyler is on my new list, because previously I ignored the fact that he won T2 2 player last year
5. The inclusion of Tim Mierz. in the top 10 is illogical based on the logic in #3 but stems from the fact that he got 1st place at the OHIO Nationals where I got second place. He probably does not belong among the top 10 of all time, but maybe he does. He plays weird decks and was the pioneer, iiirc, of hand discard! He ran a pre-ROA, genesis/gray hand discard offense in a Babylonians and Prophets meta. Additionally, he ha a weird dominant distribution (evil dominant light, right)?

5. Nesfeder wins many awards in Redemption
6. Brian Cooper also deserves honorable mention. His first tournament back he cleaned my clock with a trust- prosperity- shuffler, combo deck (ironic or fitting? Depends on who you ask!)
7. I forgot Kirk and was too lazy to go back and change it
8. Honestly, I cannot decide which one of our contemporaries is the best T1 player John. E, Gabe I., Josiah B., JDS, JD, Jordan A., Tim Maly, Tim M., Martin M., Josh K., Tyler Stevens, and John Nesfeder, Allen R., Daniel H, and Just A. If we are defining best T1 player as a person having an unusually high Redemption-IQ across some combination of categories like deck building, game-play, and aptitude
9. Josiah Beers is a better Redemption player

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