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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2014, 12:39:39 PM »
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The new printing have many good changes, I think. :)

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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2014, 09:32:42 AM »
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When will the Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print run cards be released for sale?
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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2014, 01:27:00 PM »
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I've heard late August/early September as the timeframe for the 2nd printing of Phase 1.

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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2014, 11:06:31 PM »
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Hate to change Nicanor AGAIN, but if your opponent has Gifts of the Magi active, infinite loop happens.
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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2014, 08:32:39 AM »
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Hate to change Nicanor AGAIN, but if your opponent has Gifts of the Magi active, infinite loop happens.

Its actually not an infinite loop there.  The person who has gifts active gets to choose when to stop drawing.
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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2014, 09:22:19 AM »
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Hate to change Nicanor AGAIN, but if your opponent has Gifts of the Magi active, infinite loop happens.

Its actually not an infinite loop there.  The person who has gifts active gets to choose when to stop drawing.

They would have to stop drawing once they have 16 cards in their hand due to the card hand limit rule change, so this definitely wouldn't be an infinite loop.


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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2014, 09:25:42 AM »
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Hate to change Nicanor AGAIN, but if your opponent has Gifts of the Magi active, infinite loop happens.

Its actually not an infinite loop there.  The person who has gifts active gets to choose when to stop drawing.

Well, still. Both players could still automatically draw up to 16 cards.

Hate to change Nicanor AGAIN, but if your opponent has Gifts of the Magi active, infinite loop happens.

Its actually not an infinite loop there.  The person who has gifts active gets to choose when to stop drawing.

They would have to stop drawing once they have 16 cards in their hand due to the card hand limit rule change, so this definitely wouldn't be an infinite loop.



Yes, I knew that. I used that term since that is what has been used throughout this entire thread.
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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2014, 10:14:46 AM »
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It's not really "automatic" since Gifts is a "may." If they really want to allow everyone to draw a bunch of cards they can, but they can stop it anytime (or not even trigger Gifts at all).

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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2014, 11:05:08 AM »
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It's not really "automatic" since Gifts is a "may." If they really want to allow everyone to draw a bunch of cards they can, but they can stop it anytime (or not even trigger Gifts at all).

Whatever you say. Still seems a bit odd to me.
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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2014, 07:18:46 PM »
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The original post has been updated with which cards will receive errata, which will not and which cards can be redeemed for a new copy of the beta release.
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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2014, 07:27:28 PM »
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The original post has been updated with which cards will receive errata, which will not and which cards can be redeemed for a new copy of the beta release.

Can you send me the Alpha copy of Coming of the Spirit and Seek and Destroy? I don't have any images of those versions. Since they are now separate playable cards, I'd like to make new pages for them in the Wiki.

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Also, what about Angel of Deliverance (Generic to Unique), Gentleness (minor wording change that impacts the effect), Reassuring Angels (Generic to Unique), and Stephen (possible impact based on the wording change)? I didn't list the cards that simply gained generic identifiers, but the two angels originally had Generic printed on them. Are they getting errata'd, or do they play as generics?
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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2014, 12:46:44 PM »
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Any word on possible errata / play as is for the following cards?

• Angel of Deliverance
• Gentleness  - This one honestly makes a big difference, because the alpha version negates play abilities all the time vs only during your rescue attempts.
• Reassuring Angels
• Stephen - I'm not sure if his ability would work without an errata.

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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2014, 06:05:52 PM »
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I just noticed that on the new Glory of the Lord, the special ability does not include protection of Tabernacle artifacts in The Tabernacle.

Glory of the Lord: Search deck or discard pile for The Tabernacle or Solomon's Temple and play it. Place this card on your The Tabernacle or Solomon's Temple: Protect that Fortress and your Temple Artifacts from opponents.

Since GotL applies both to The Tabernacle and Solomon's Temple, is it an oversight that only Temple Artifacts in Solomon's Temple are protected and Tabernacle Artifacts in The Tabernacle are not?

EDIT: Sorry, I think I just figured it out by cross-checking the Wiki...all Tabernacle artifacts are also Temple artifacts   ::)
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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2014, 06:09:57 PM »
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I doubt it's an oversight, because a Temple Artifact is defined as any artifact that was part of the temple or its furnishing, and a Tabernacle Artifact is one that was part of the tabernacle or its furnishing. Since as far as I know every Tabernacle Artifact is also a Temple Artifact (someone can correct me if I'm wrong) it wouldn't add anything to include Tabernacle Artifacts.
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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2014, 06:11:35 PM »
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Thanks CS, you're right, I added an edit to my post after cross-checking (should have done that first)
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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2014, 06:34:16 PM »
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I believe CS is correct, all Tabernacle Artifacts are also considered Temple Artifacts. However, not all Temple Artifacts are Tabernacle Artifacts. Book of the Law, Windows of Narrow Light and I believe Temple Veil are not considered Tabernacle Artifacts.
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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2014, 09:29:54 PM »
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I believe CS is correct, all Tabernacle Artifacts are also considered Temple Artifacts. However, not all Temple Artifacts are Tabernacle Artifacts. Book of the Law, Windows of Narrow Light and I believe Temple Veil are not considered Tabernacle Artifacts.

Also Golden Cherubim.
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Re: Early Church Phase 1 - 2nd Print Changes
« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2014, 11:57:57 PM »
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I believe CS is correct, all Tabernacle Artifacts are also considered Temple Artifacts. However, not all Temple Artifacts are Tabernacle Artifacts. Book of the Law, Windows of Narrow Light and I believe Temple Veil are not considered Tabernacle Artifacts.

Book of the Law is a Tabernacle artifact, although it was not properly listed as such in the REG for awhile.

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/tabernacle-artifact-should-book-of-the-law-be-added/msg504791/#msg504791

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