Author Topic: New Promos (Read 20987 times)

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #25 on:** August 14, 2009, 09:29:03 PM »

Quote from: xCaLeBx on August 14, 2009, 08:26:28 PM

rephrase: Most Promos from 2001+ are powerful

Thank you.

Master KChief · « **Reply #26 on:** August 14, 2009, 09:34:32 PM »

lol wow, nice mess up with goshen cactus. i didnt expect many mistakes with card wording, especially after split altar.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #27 on:** August 14, 2009, 09:46:12 PM »

Doesn't everyone use Raising of the Saints? =D

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #28 on:** August 14, 2009, 09:52:16 PM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on August 14, 2009, 09:46:12 PM

Doesn't everyone use Raising of the Saints? =D

I do! It makes a great proxy card.

Bryon · « **Reply #29 on:** August 14, 2009, 09:54:39 PM »

If a fort says it holds cards, then the default is that they can be added or removed during the prep phase only. If another timing/method of released is given, then that replaces the default.

Goshen heroes can be added or removed as you wish during the prep phase. It is very nice in a deck with Genesis or Exodus heroes, and fairly useful still in decks where you need to protect your heroes.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #30 on:** August 14, 2009, 09:57:27 PM »

Playtesters and their never ending quest to use as few words as possible.... lol

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #31 on:** August 14, 2009, 10:41:45 PM »

Quote from: Bryon on August 14, 2009, 09:54:39 PM

If a fort says it holds cards, then the default is that they can be added or removed during the prep phase only. If another timing/method of released is given, then that replaces the default.

Goshen heroes can be added or removed as you wish during the prep phase. It is very nice in a deck with Genesis or Exodus heroes, and fairly useful still in decks where you need to protect your heroes.

How about Potters Field? It never says when they can be taken out, just like Kerith Ravine. Both are in Set-Aside. Can I pull heroes out of potters field during my prep phase?

"Set this site aside. Holder's Heroes to be discarded are instead placed in this site, Treat them as discarded Heroes."

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #32 on:** August 14, 2009, 11:23:49 PM »

No, don't be ridiculous. That would be broken and abusive. I'd like to official found the "Ban Potter's field" group. Even if we don't ban it for its epic power, it needs bannage because we abbreviate it as Pot's Field.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #33 on:** August 14, 2009, 11:24:53 PM »

But we all know that heroes in Kerith Raving can be removed and those in Potter's Field can't.

We need a constant ruling.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #34 on:** August 14, 2009, 11:27:19 PM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on August 14, 2009, 11:24:53 PM

But we all know that heroes in Kerith Raving can be removed and those in Potter's Field can't.

We need a constant ruling.

Exactly. Also. Bryon said that unless it specifies when cards can be placed or removed, then it defaults to prep phase. However... Goshen DOES specify. He then said you can still place heroes into it whenever you want. How does that work? Can I take heroes out of Chamber of Angels a few turns early? Sure, it specifies when I remove them, but goshen lets me place heroes into it dispite having an "entrance clause." So, why can't I ignore chambers "exit clause" and just remove them in my prep phase? Or Potters Field? Or Tartaros?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #35 on:** August 14, 2009, 11:48:25 PM »

Just breathe. You'll feel a lot better.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #36 on:** August 14, 2009, 11:50:17 PM »

Lol, I still wanna know if my logic is innacurate or not. According to Bryon, all those examples I listed should work.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #37 on:** August 14, 2009, 11:53:02 PM »

I understand what you are saying, but this issue was just brought up. Give it some time to work itself out. For now, Goshen does what it used to do, and a little bit more. I'm sure a Play As or Errata will find its way into the REG eventually.

There is a simple solution to these kinds of problems. I should be a playtester.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #38 on:** August 14, 2009, 11:56:14 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on August 14, 2009, 11:53:02 PM

I understand what you are saying, but this issue was just brought up. Give it some time to work itself out. For now, Goshen does what it used to do, and a little bit more. I'm sure a Play As or Errata will find its way into the REG eventually.

There is a simple solution to these kinds of problems. I should be a playtester.

And me. Not bragging or anything, but I feel like I have a pretty good eye for wierd things like this. However, I would be perfectly happy if Goshen just got a play as / errata, and all the other cards worked as normal.

Any time a rule like this that goes against anything else comes up, I find the strongest argument is to apply the same logic to everything else and see how it works. In this case, it makes potters field absolutely broken.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #39 on:** August 14, 2009, 11:58:17 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 14, 2009, 11:56:14 PM

I feel like I have a pretty good eye for wierd things like this

This is exactly why you can't be a play tester. Play testers are supposed to overlook many flaws in a card so the players can heavily abuse it for a short while (before everyone screams "broken!!oen1!!")

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #40 on:** August 14, 2009, 11:59:31 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on August 14, 2009, 11:58:17 PM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 14, 2009, 11:56:14 PM
I feel like I have a pretty good eye for wierd things like this
This is exactly why you can't be a play tester. Play testers are supposed to overlook many flaws in a card so the players can heavily abuse it for a short while (before everyone screams "broken!!oen1!!")

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #41 on:** August 15, 2009, 12:12:19 AM »

Actually, I don't have a good eye for those sorts of things. I just want to be a playtester because I'm selfish.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #42 on:** August 15, 2009, 12:17:12 AM »

That and you get to dangle spoilers infront of everyone like carrots.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #43 on:** August 15, 2009, 12:19:14 AM »

Carrots? Is that just to help them see the spoilers better? I would think if we trying the temptation route we should use chocolate cake or pizza.

Soundman2 · « **Reply #44 on:** August 15, 2009, 12:23:21 AM »

"Set this site aside. Holder's Heroes to be discarded are instead placed in this site, Treat them as discarded Heroes."

this is why its different!

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #45 on:** August 15, 2009, 12:25:59 AM »

I noticed that, but regardless, what is stopping me from taking them out?

Bryon · « **Reply #46 on:** August 15, 2009, 12:44:27 AM »

Really, if "treat them as discarded heroes" needs clarification: Discarded heroes can't be placed into your territory on a whim. They must either be healed (if it happens the same turn they are discarded, or else a card must return them to territory from their present location.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #47 on:** August 15, 2009, 12:48:42 AM »

Ok, how about tartaros? It doesnt say the demons are classified as anything else. Here is my logic split into different thoughts.

1) Kerith Ravine is set aside and you can add/remove cards in prep phase.
2) You said unless it is not clarified, then you can add/remove cards in prep phase.
2a) However, right after that, you said you can add heroes to goshen freely, even though it specifies how heroes are to be added into the fortress.
3) Tartaros specifies both how cards enter and exit, but apparently, I can still add/remove in my prep phase regardless, based on the point above.

See where I'm going?

*EDIT*

The same general logic applies to the following cards as well

The Name of the Lord, Chamber of Angels, Demonic Stronghold, and City of Refuge.

Bryon · « **Reply #48 on:** August 15, 2009, 12:59:32 AM »

Truth be told, the older forts (Angel Wars and older) are really sloppy. The new ones (the ones with identifiers) were supposed to be clearer.

Goshen was printed with Rock of Ages, so it should have been one of the clear ones. Apparently, when we added the extra way to let the heroes enter, we should have clarified that they can enter the default way, too. That was a good catch on your part.

So, Goshen DOES need errata/clarifiaction: You can put your heroes in Goshen during your prep phase.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #49 on:** August 15, 2009, 01:12:12 AM »

Quote from: Bryon on August 15, 2009, 12:59:32 AM

So, Goshen DOES need errata/clarifiaction: You can put your characters in Goshen during your prep phase.

Thats fine with me!

As I've said in other threads, while having some overpowered forts would be nice, what I really want is consistancy. A simple errata would keep the rules for forts nice and consistant.

*EDIT*

Also, I was being serious earlier about wanting to be a playtester. I'd love to help catch this stuff earlier to avoid headaches and confusion.

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Author Topic: New Promos (Read 20987 times)

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