Author Topic: Martyrs? (Read 5782 times)

Gabe · « **on:** November 02, 2016, 09:47:49 PM »

I wonderful explanation by Doug here got me curious, who are the martyrs in Redemption?

Obviously we have:

Stephen
James (son of Zebudee)
Paul
Peter
Others?

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #1 on:** November 02, 2016, 10:00:40 PM »

John the Baptist

Watchman · « **Reply #2 on:** November 02, 2016, 10:15:40 PM »

I believe Thomas was too. If you want to count the OT prophets who were martyred for their faith then you can count just about every one of them!

Daniel · « **Reply #3 on:** November 02, 2016, 10:20:11 PM »

It's a pretty huge list if you count extra-biblical accounts of martyrdom.

http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=52264&forum=40

egilkinc · « **Reply #4 on:** November 03, 2016, 07:53:42 AM »

Might be good to start with a definition. There might end up being gray areas involving stated reasons vs. motives. e.g. either tradition for the death of Ezekiel
... very interesting classifier!

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #5 on:** November 07, 2016, 12:12:51 AM »

Harambe

uthminister [BR] · « **Reply #6 on:** November 07, 2016, 10:54:35 AM »

[Insert rant about how it seems that my kids are more passionate and concerned about a gorilla who was killed rather than their friends who are going to hell apart from Jesus.]

Sorry about that...just a little youth minister annoyance coming out there. I live near Cincinnati which only amplifies it. At least I didn't type it all out.

mr_awesome · « **Reply #7 on:** November 08, 2016, 08:31:59 AM »

every disiple execpt John

Gabe · « **Reply #8 on:** November 14, 2016, 12:40:10 PM »

You guys have shown me that this is a far more interesting discussion than I first thought!

Quote from: egilkinc on November 03, 2016, 07:53:42 AM

Might be good to start with a definition. There might end up being gray areas involving stated reasons vs. motives. e.g. either tradition for the death of Ezekiel
... very interesting classifier!

^^ this. I began the discussion from the perspective that Stephen was the "first martyr". Not sure where I got that but it's engrained and I hadn't questioned it before. Clearly John the Baptist died for his faith. As did many of the O.T. prophets.

The list Daniel linked is very helpful. Pol's suggestion, not so much.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 14, 2016, 08:34:46 PM »

I guess I have never thought of John the Baptist as a Martyr either because he was not killed because he was of a certain faith. His convictions or faith led to his death but Herod didn't imprison him because he was persecuting people of the Jewish faith or worried about his preaching of the coming messiah. His death was for personal reasons really. I would think it could go either way but I think the Catholic church believes him to be a martyr. I also remembered Stephen to be the first martyr also but that's probably because he was the first Christian martyr.

egilkinc · « **Reply #10 on:** November 15, 2016, 09:34:34 AM »

White Robe (Rev 6:11)
Millstone Thrown Into The Sea (Rev 18:21-24)
The Fifth Seal (Rev 6:9)
Sawn In Two (Hebrews 11:37)

"If a martyr is discarded ..."
"X = # of Martyrs discarded ..."

Could end up being a viable theme. Maybe even introduce/include an alternate battle win condition like Primary Objective.

egilkinc · « **Reply #11 on:** November 15, 2016, 09:39:02 AM »

Quote from: TheHobbit on November 14, 2016, 08:34:46 PM

I guess I have never thought of John the Baptist as a Martyr either because he was not killed because he was of a certain faith. His convictions or faith led to his death but Herod didn't imprison him because he was persecuting people of the Jewish faith or worried about his preaching of the coming messiah. His death was for personal reasons really. I would think it could go either way but I think the Catholic church believes him to be a martyr.

Agreed. The Bible is pretty clear Herodias had a grudge (Mark 6:19). That's a good example of the gray area.

egilkinc · « **Reply #12 on:** November 16, 2016, 07:41:52 PM »

Could stick with good ol' wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_martyrs

OT might include:
Abel (Killed for his sacrifice - Genesis 4:3-8)
Zechariah son of Berekiah (Debate as to whether this is the prophet Zechariah - Matthew 23:35)

Other NT might include:
Antipas (Revelation 2:13)
The Two Witnesses (Revelation 11:7)

egilkinc · « **Reply #13 on:** November 20, 2016, 10:23:43 PM »

My wife suggests a definition that includes those who were killed because they would not renounce their faith. That's a little more specific than "killed for their faith".

The Guardian · « **Reply #14 on:** March 09, 2017, 03:24:02 PM »

The list of Martyrs is as follows:
Stephen
James (son of Zebedee)
James (brother of Jesus/leader in Jerusalem)
Peter
Paul
Mark
Philip
Andrew
Thomas
Thaddeus
Bartholomew
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wyatt_marcum · « **Reply #15 on:** March 09, 2017, 04:17:37 PM »

So It'll be every disciple but John and Judas, right? or no extra-biblical accounts? or only some?

Xonathan · « **Reply #16 on:** March 09, 2017, 04:55:02 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on March 09, 2017, 03:24:02 PM

The list of Martyrs is as follows:
Stephen
James (son of Zebedee)
James (brother of Jesus/leader in Jerusalem)
Peter
Paul
Mark
Philip
Andrew
Thomas
Thaddeus
Bartholomew
*** *** *********
*******
********
****** ******
******* *******
***** ****, *******

Antipas and the two witnesses fit in Guardian's hidden list there

browarod · « **Reply #17 on:** March 09, 2017, 05:01:59 PM »

Yay for more (potential) hinting at Revelation stuff.

Xonathan · « **Reply #18 on:** March 09, 2017, 05:05:54 PM »

I bet Justin is one of them too.

wyatt_marcum · « **Reply #19 on:** March 09, 2017, 05:56:12 PM »

as does Matthew and Matthias.....

Kevinthedude · « **Reply #20 on:** March 09, 2017, 06:04:02 PM »

I would wager if revelation set is a thing there will be some generic cards that have the martyr tag.

megamanlan · « **Reply #21 on:** March 10, 2017, 12:49:45 PM »

I find it ironic that this is being mentioned now as I had come up with the concept for Martyr's a few years back. The main thing I'd have for them would be that they get effects if discarded. Also, plenty of supports can be made from Revelation.

Also, could we have generic Martyr's as there are a few mentioned.
Don't forget the Martyr's souls who are under the altar when the Fifth Seal is opened. (Although that actually could be a support card for Martyrs)

Here are some of my old Martyr cards... (Wow these are 5 years old!) and this was before Clay was a thing so I made them Red.

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/new-card-ideas/revelation-ideas-chapter-6-the-horsemen-and-martyrs/

Gabe · « **Reply #22 on:** March 10, 2017, 02:12:24 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on March 10, 2017, 12:49:45 PM

I find it ironic that this is being mentioned now as I had come up with the concept for Martyr's a few years back. The main thing I'd have for them would be that they get effects if discarded. Also, plenty of supports can be made from Revelation.

Also, could we have generic Martyr's as there are a few mentioned.
Don't forget the Martyr's souls who are under the altar when the Fifth Seal is opened. (Although that actually could be a support card for Martyrs)

Here are some of my old Martyr cards... (Wow these are 5 years old!) and this was before Clay was a thing so I made them Red.

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/new-card-ideas/revelation-ideas-chapter-6-the-horsemen-and-martyrs/

I'm glad your excited for martyrs! I am too!

We're a long ways past the card and theme design and well into the stage of finalizing what we have for the new set to make sure things work as they're supposed to. The thematic nature of a "martyr" interacting with the game probably means there will be some overlap with your ideas even though the elders came up with them independently.

megamanlan · « **Reply #23 on:** March 11, 2017, 01:54:32 AM »

I just find it funny that I might actually see my idea of Martyr's actually coming out now.

Daniel · « **Reply #24 on:** March 22, 2017, 03:26:50 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on March 11, 2017, 01:54:32 AM

I just find it funny that I might actually see my idea of Martyr's actually coming out now.

Correct, you created the idea of Martyrs.

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