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The only times my Manasseh defense even gives up souls period is when I get absolutely horrid draws offensively and defensively. I've stopped playing with my Disciples/Manasseh deck because of how OP it is (that deck is 11-0, and most of those wins I never gave up a Soul). Even when I dilute the deck by running Hur Abuse or some other B strategy with the Menasseh defense, I still only lose with a really bad draw on my end and a really good draw on my opponents end. Just today, I played three games where my opponent had Mayhem and went first, had all of his Dominants in the top 20 cards, drew balanced defense and offense, didn't make any mistakes, and I still won. The only two games I lost today were when I wasn't using a Manasseh defense and when I drew no Heroes or Evil Characters for three turns (with Lost Souls out).

What on earth possessed the playtesters to make a weapon-class, Pale Green/Brown Magician King of Judah who can band to a Magician or a Demon or Discard two Human Evil Characters to win the battle outright!? I'd say he's worse than Thaddeus, and that's saying something. This card is basically forcing you to use HT with Sword and Trumpet or Trumpet Blast in every successful deck. The only reason my offenses are working is because nobody else seems to be running Manasseh defenses.

And lest anyone read this as a complaint, I LOVE Manasseh 

He can play 6 CBN battle-winners off 2kH (Forgotten History, Haman's Plot, Wonders Forgotten, Gibeonite Trickery, Failed Objective and Death of Unrighteous) easily, with access to all the rest via Seven Wicked Spirits banding or banding to cultural demons, has CBN banding to very useful cards to band to, CBN win the battle against a lone Hero at the cost of two Human EC's (two or three autoblocks per game), can hold Magic Charms while being protected...basically the only thing that can stop him is pre-block Sword and Trumpet (assuming you don't have Torment in hand) or pre-block Trumpet Blast with an AotL to follow it up with.

*EDIT* And I forgot to mention Manasseh to WS to SoT to Elymas.

That's the thing about him: he's like TGT. Twice today Manasseh died to an early Grapes or AotL, and three times I just never ended up blocking with him (all games I won). A defense that features Manasseh is an A defense without Manasseh ever showing up, and when he does its a powerhouse.

It is true that I have the most success with fast offenses, but even the decks that have medium-speed offenses allow the defense to perform.

He can play 6 CBN battle-winners off 2kH (Forgotten History, Haman's Plot, Wonders Forgotten, Gibeonite Trickery, Failed Objective and Death of Unrighteous) easily, with access to all the rest via Seven Wicked Spirits banding or banding to cultural demons, has CBN banding to very useful cards to band to, CBN win the battle against a lone Hero at the cost of two Human EC's (two or three autoblocks per game), can hold Magic Charms while being protected...basically the only thing that can stop him is pre-block Sword and Trumpet (assuming you don't have Torment in hand) or pre-block Trumpet Blast with an AotL to follow it up with.

*EDIT* And I forgot to mention Manasseh to WS to SoT to Elymas.

He can't play failed objective. That is gold...

Thaddeus needs his buds to set up and gets pew-pew by Stan's Chair or Herod's Dungeon.

yeah if someone is stupid enough to attack with hm on the 1-2 turns ark is up....


I wanna try this strategy.....

also, what was with the manasseh banding chain? just to have high numbers?

Elymas' ability can protect Manasseh from discard and conversion in battle.  And all the banding is CBN/CBI.

Quote from: xCaLeBx on September 08, 2010, 11:46:54 AM

yeah if someone is stupid enough to attack with hm on the 1-2 turns ark is up....


I wanna try this strategy.....

Ark has to dc twice or it stays up.

wrong Ark can only be activated 2 times

Quote from: xCaLeBx on September 08, 2010, 02:44:17 PM

Quote from: Red on September 08, 2010, 11:50:43 AM

Quote from: xCaLeBx on September 08, 2010, 11:46:54 AM

yeah if someone is stupid enough to attack with hm on the 1-2 turns ark is up....


I wanna try this strategy.....

Ark has to dc twice or it stays up.

wrong Ark can only be activated 2 times

It's like 30 pieces which d/cs to use.

Wrong dude I'm telling you it gets one counter per turn its up after 2 counters it goes away 

Orly wow been playing that wrong since I began...so If I ra Ark is up and I end up discarding the one EC he has attacked with and theres no EC's in his territory no counter?

Orly wow been playing that wrong since I began...so If I ra Ark is up and I end up discarding the one EC he has attacked with and theres no EC's in his territory no counter?

You're still doin' it wrong.
Ark can only target ECs who have entered battle that turn.

Yes I'm not alone in my ignorance!

@ Smokey: Ok so I discard his one defending EC in battle...counter?

As far as I know, yes.

Inconsistent with Assyria's Tribute.