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Does anyone else think Lampstand is OP? It destroys an entire class of cards except one.

Yes, but Only one of them is any good and I do not think they are OP. If anything Good dominants are OP.

But AA, dies after one rescue and what protect cards that you can leave up the entire game and kill all good Doms but 1

Yes, but good is already stronger than evil even without dominants

Also, there are a ton of other cards that can get rid of it without using DON and there are other ways to get rid of LS's without using Burial.

Quote from: Ironica on August 24, 2008, 01:24:36 AM

Also, there are a ton of other cards that can get rid of it without using DON and there are other ways to get rid of LS's without using Burial.

Yes but, you have to have the card, an E.C. to play it on and initiative and if you don't draw the card they can still make three cards that can not be placed in storehouse useless. What other ways that are as good?     

Capture ark

Green hero/New Beginning

Discarding the temple that it's in (most of the time I see it is when they have a temple).

There are other ways of getting rid of it besides using an EC.

A quick and easy way to get rid of it .

Quote from: Ironica on August 24, 2008, 01:43:53 AM

Quote from: JSB23 on August 24, 2008, 01:36:30 AM

Quote from: Ironica on August 24, 2008, 01:24:36 AM

Also, there are a ton of other cards that can get rid of it without using DON and there are other ways to get rid of LS's without using Burial.

Yes but, you have to have the card, an E.C. to play it on and initiative and if you don't draw the card they can still make three cards that can not be placed in storehouse useless. What other ways that are as good?     

Capture ark

Green hero/New Beginning

Discarding the temple that it's in (most of the time I see it is when they have a temple).

There are other ways of getting rid of it besides using an EC.

A quick and easy way to get rid of it .

touché for Captured Ark but they usually have a different Art up they can shuffle and How do I discard the temple without an E.C.? I also have to have initiative to use ANB unless I have hidden treasures, a Three card combo and I lose my evil Doms and they can just use a searcher priest to get Lampstand back out

I just wanted to point out that there are other ways besides DON to get rid of it.

good is suppossed to be slightly better than evil? um, NOOOOOOO?

as a theme, sure, it makes sense. good always triumphs, blah blah blah. watch a movie or something. i dont see this as a valid issue either, because no matter what, one of the two players good side will end up winning the game, natch.

but this a GAME that is suppossed to be as balanced as much as possible. lampstand outshines altar of ahaz on almost every conceivable facet, no question about it.

this is why i cry foul on why the game engine is as unbalanced as it currently is. there is a HEAVY bias towards good. hardly any wc demons (while silver is chock full of em), lampstand/alter of ahaz issues, the heavily favored sog/nj/goys vs falling away situation, among many others.

so theres no obvious advantage of an angel carrying a weapon and therefore gaining an additional special ability, versus a demon that is unable to? cactus has taken no serious effort to give demons the same courtesy EVERY SINGLE OTHER BRIGADE currently has. and for what purpose? why?

so theres no obvious advantage of an angel carrying a weapon and therefore gaining an additional special ability, versus a demon that is unable to?

Are you still unable to explain it to me?

Here are some silver weapons:
- If holder is ever losing the battle by the numbers, holder may discard Captain's Sword to withdraw all Heroes unharmed from battle.
- If Hero defeats a demon, you may remove it from the game.
- If used by a Hero with strength 6/* or lower, Hero is immune to discard abilities on evil enhancements.
- Toughness is equal to the number of evil characters one opponent has in play.
- Holder may discard this card to decrease a demon’s abilities by 5/5 until end of turn.

Explain to me how abilities like these create an imbalance that makes angels much more powerful than demons.

Here are some evil weapons:
- Worth 8/10 if used by a giant.  Goliath may retain as a weapon until discarded.
- Evil Character cannot be converted.
- Holder may discard Dart to decrease a Hero in play 6/6 until end of turn.
- Worth 8/4 if used by a giant.
- Evil Character cannot be converted this turn.
- Worth 6/8 if used by a giant.
- Worth 9/3 if used by a warrior class Assyrian

Explain to me how the ability to use these weapons are important to make demons "balanced" with angels.

You can keep dancing around and being coy, or you can give a direct answer to a direct question.  In eight days time, you have not done that once.  If understanding matters to you, I recommend a different approach.

cactus has taken no serious effort to give demons the same courtesy EVERY SINGLE OTHER BRIGADE currently has.

Why is that necessary?  Does teal suffer a disadvantage for being denied the "courtesy" of a female Hero that "every single other brigade" has?  Or a fight-by-numbers card?

what difference does it make how good the abilities are? YOU can dance around spitting out useless weapon class abilities and i really wont care less. its the PRINCIPLE that every single other brigade has its fair share of warrior/weapon class and demons do not. versatility is a big issue for some in this game, and just having the option to stick weapon class enhancements on a warrior class demon is a step in the right direction.

its the PRINCIPLE that every single other brigade has its fair share of warrior/weapon class and demons do not.

You removed principle as an argument when you said the lack of weapons makes angels more powerful than demons.  I want you to explain to me what exactly it is about the weapons that makes them more powerful and which the demons are lacking.  Listing the cards for you is exactly the way to use the facts in front of you to answer my question.  And still you do not.

You are also wandering off the reservation now, by changing your argument from "angels are not balanced with demons" to "demons (which you seem now to only mean 'orange' which is also a change, and which makes it an error to keep saying 'demon') should be able to hold weapons because other characters can".  For which point am I supposed to try and understand your reasons?

also, 'female' is a character type defined by both picture and the scripture on the card. fight by the numbers and warrior/weapon class are both gameplay mechanics that are not relevant to the picture or scripture. i fail to see your connection here.

Various cards have various effects on various other cards based on a number of different qualities.  Lacking a female character can be significant when faced with the female-only Lost Soul, or Temptation, or Women as Snares.  So the lack of a female can create a strategic disadvantage to a collection of characters, but strengths in other areas can compensate for that.  As someone who touts his experience with so many other card games, I did not think I had to explain that concept to you, but I hope this helps you understand better.

the simple fact that silver can hold weapons, no matter how terrible the special ability is, is still far more versatile because they still gain an ability that can be used...while orange cannot.

So you still cannot show how silver weapons make angels more powerful than demons?  You can only talk about principles and potentials?

a 'male, female, genderless' identifier comes with the picture and scripture, and cannot be controlled.

So your argument is that the developers have zero control over what cards are made or what appears on them?  I find that a bizarre position.  The Generous Widow HAD to be made, rather than a reprint of Peter or Lazarus in gold?

however, like i said earlier, fbtn and wc are gameplay mechanics that can be added to almost any character in redemption...so again, your female argument is invalid.

This statement makes no sense.  Teal did not have to be given its own brigade.  It originally was going to be spread out.  The decision to move them into their own brigade is what precluded them from having any females of matching brigade, not some unseen, unstoppable force of card-generating nature.

Are you now saying that it's impossible to have females in an offense of priests, supposing those priests to be folded in rather than given their own brigade?  That females are not in every other brigade in Redemption?  That there is zero strategic value to having a female in your deck versus none?  If it makes no difference, why would the identifier for gender even exist?  The more you claim this is invalid, the less sense it makes.